Author Topic: too much wrong with this story to list (Read 1684 times)

Leslie · « **Reply #45 on:** March 05, 2006, 09:35:09 AM »

To address the first point Parker, it was the lawyer's duty to see to that. If he didn't have a lawyer, that needs to be taken into consideration. Mom can't defend in court as well as a lawyer can. There could be an issue where having ro write about explaining the workings of the criminal mind, might have unconstitutional implications, not taking into consideration lack of a lawyer and unfair intimidation to basically admiting to knowing something about the criminal mind by writing about it.

Think about it.

Les

parker00 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:01:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
To address the first point Parker, it was the lawyer's duty to see to that. If he didn't have a lawyer, that needs to be taken into consideration. Mom can't defend in court as well as a lawyer can. There could be an issue where having ro write about explaining the workings of the criminal mind, might have unconstitutional implications, not taking into consideration lack of a lawyer and unfair intimidation to basically admiting to knowing something about the criminal mind by writing about it.

Think about it.

Les

It was her lawyer who said what I quoted. This was an informal hearing, not regular court. They just wanted to talk to her about the situation. The note he had to write, may of been much and I can see where this kid was coming from not wanting to write it but had the mom went to the informal hearing it may of never gotten to that point.

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David’s mom, Christine Alford, said she refused to allow her son to attend an informal "intake hearing" at juvenile court after seeing a photo of a youth in handcuffs on the county’s juvenile court Web site.

"I thought that image was rather intimidating," Alford said.[

Well mom saw a picture on the counties website with some kid in cuffs and decided since it was possible for that to happen to her kid she wasn't going to take him. They gave her a chance to do it without a court date and when she refused to go, they were sent to court where the punishment was greater.

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" ‘Intake hearing’ doesn’t mean ‘taking into custody,’ " said Chapman. "When we take someone into custody, we don’t make appointments. If there’s a consequence for not coming in informally, well, that’s one they chose."

Everyone keeps asking what is wrong with todays kids and the answer is right there. Parents protect there kids from not only harms way but also from paying for thier actions. This mom should of said, well you get what you get and maybe next you will think twice before doing it. Just like that video where the 5 yr old is hitting the teacher and disrupting class, they call the cops and the cops put her in cuffs. Instead of mom beating the kids butt for acting like that in school she sues the school and police for cuffing her daughter. My parents made sure that if I was at school or someone else's house then that person knew they had every right to spank me or punish me for whatever I've done. Never happened but just knowing seemed to help me stay in line.

LePaul · « **Reply #47 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:11:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Sox62

I didn't consider the social ramifications,I just reached in my lunchbag,grabbed the apple and fired.

I was busted by my English teacher who was standing right there.He was also my baseball coach.He asked,"why aren't you always that accurate?"

I was just a kid that threw an apple.The other guy got apple sauce on the side of his head.No one was hurt,and I never did anything like that again.I think the principal also realized I was provoked.

So,are you suggesting that I should have been punished based on what could have happened,instead of what did?

Now a days, you'd have to go to counseling, spend time at several apple orchards, hug trees and release your hate of apples

Leslie · « **Reply #48 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:47:09 AM »

Parker, if I thought the punishment was unconstitutional, I would defend my kid with all my might. I would file a false arrest and raise every kind of legal hell I could.

Les

parker00 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:58:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
Parker, if I thought the punishment was unconstitutional, I would defend my kid with all my might. I would file a false arrest and raise every kind of legal hell I could.

Les

So go to the meeting and protest all you want. You need to remember, the punishment was after she failed to show up. She wasn't protesting anything, she just didn't want her son to go to jail for something he did, which he wouldn't have anyways. Plain and simple.

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:54:02 AM »

you probly won't get prison time these days if you are kid who is acting like a spoiled kid..

They will do an orwell on you tho and drug you to the eyeballs...

lazs

Leslie · « **Reply #51 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:01:38 PM »

It really does depend on what the boys did in the deli, and not on speculation of what parents should or should'nt do. I don't know anything about this where I would become involved or protest. To me, protesting is phoney, so you have a good point. However, you know more about police business than me, and I respect you for it. Thank you for being understanding and bearing with me.

You are right, not showing up is not responsible. We don't know if the boys innvolved were minorities, which would make a difference in that they do not trust the police or the court system. It's important to be fair, and I just see humiliation as wrong. My issue has more to do with the presumed condition of justice being based on the required writing of a note that could be self incriminating. Why is that necessary? The only way I could agree with such a punishment is if it was given after several other incidents and used as a last resort.

But this whole discussion is moot. We don't know the circumstances and it is speculation.

~~Les~~

fartwinkle · « **Reply #52 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:13:32 PM »

Geezus Christo!:O
We used to take the girls out to the field and stuff grass down there shirts and noone said jack watermelon about it.
This PC crap is wayyy outta hand.

Leslie · « **Reply #53 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:28:26 PM »

Back in 1926 in Albuquerque, NM the high school boys brought tarantulas to school in their shirt pockets to put on girls' shoulders.

Les

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 05, 2006, 01:17:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
That pretty much stopped when both parents went to work. The "Mommy Network" isn't what it used to be.

"Both parents'... as if public school children today have two parents.

midnight Target · « **Reply #55 on:** March 05, 2006, 02:22:30 PM »

I had the "pleasure" of a mother who also happened to teach at the school I attended. She would sometimes be working the playgrounds when I got into scraps with another boy.

I found out later on that she would always walk over to my fights just a little slower than usual. She said she wanted to make sure I "got in a few good ones" before breaking it up.

I think she was a wise woman.

Suave · « **Reply #56 on:** March 05, 2006, 02:49:29 PM »

If my school was like schools are today I would've gone to juvy for sure. Even a small 4th grade kid can put a sharp pencil a pretty good ways into a bully's arm. That look on their face when they saw their own blood was priceless. "OMG I can't believe this little ****er just stabbed me"

But there's a difference between bullies and titty twisters among boys.

BluKitty · « **Reply #57 on:** March 05, 2006, 05:03:41 PM »

Do any of you realize how you treat children as almost sub-human? You expect more from them than most adults..... it's rather rediculious..... and they don't have a choice.... If they try to not goto school.... They'll take the kid to court and threaten his/her parents with jail.

What if you were being harrassed at work and couldn't quit;If you tried to quit you or your family would goto jail.....

That's just ONE example.

Oh ya, if they don't like it .... just tell them to grow up....

Sounds like a real stable enviorment for hormonely driven and confused teens.

I know the answer!... more standardized testing! (rollseyes)

Maverick · « **Reply #58 on:** March 05, 2006, 05:22:04 PM »

bluekitty,

If you have a family to provide for you put up with a crapload of stuff to keep the beans on the table and a roof over their head. If you think school is tough you have a real treat awaiting you when you get out of school and into the workplace.

BluKitty · « **Reply #59 on:** March 05, 2006, 05:40:15 PM »

nice assumptions you make.

School is often more work than work.... I've done both, more than I want of ethier.

Point is they don't even get a choice... they can't switch schools ...many are stuck in a bad situation.

Actually, I'm a college educated high school dropout. Funny how that works... funny how private higher education isn't so screwed up..... amazeing what happens with compitition.

In otherwords... school vouchers/private schools are the way to go.

But the basic problem remains, and as long as the kid doesn't have a choice... how can you blame him and his family for fighting back when society puts them in a legal box to begin with. In otherwords the system is broke... and all the standardized testing/'no child left behind', BS won't fix a thing...