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« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2006, 03:07:44 PM »
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Then how exactly did the jews "hurt" pre-WW2 gentile Germans?


Its wrong question.

German NSDAP were nacionalist party not religion, thus word "gentile" is pontless.
You should ask: Why did NSDAP mind non-real-german.

Keep searching for NSDAP's official rhetoric before WW2. (1920+)
Enjoy google. Main Kampf is also interesting source, if you are realy interesting in it.
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2006, 03:11:28 PM »
Yeager; do you think US hasn't executed anyone "wrongfully"?
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2006, 03:57:27 PM »
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SH also did nothing voilent to US did he ? :D
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He was a dictator who wanted to stay in power, hardly a threat to US.

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You can say, that jews didnt do nothing voilent to german... ummm yes... but voilence is not the only one way how to hurt people is it ?
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Thats the beauty of it - they didn't need to resort in violence to get in power and do what they want. I think thats what she's saying in between the lines.
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2006, 07:53:33 PM »
Staga,

I would not be surprised if it has happened.  Although I would be surprised if it has happened beyond a doubt since 1977.

Let me ask you this, if its wrong to stop putting violent murderers to death because one innocent person was wrongfully executed, would it be wrong to stop putting people in prison for life because we know that innocent people have been wrongfully sentenced to life in prison?

If we stop doing necessary things because we make mistakes then why do anything at all?

What I would say is never allow a mistake to happen in a case that involves human life.

Impossible?

Thanks for being reasonable :)
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2006, 08:21:42 PM »
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Let me ask you this, if its wrong to stop putting violent murderers to death because one innocent person was wrongfully executed, would it be wrong to stop putting people in prison for life because we know that innocent people have been wrongfully sentenced to life in prison?


No, that's still too harsh.

The right method is to pat them in the head, tell them not to do it again, sentence them for 5 years in prison and release in 2 years.
If the convicted person made crime as part of a gang, then rest of the gang members should be fined for an assault - like kicking once or twice - and for carrying a knife in public. If neither of the conditions is met, then the gang member should be released without fines.

BTW. that's a true story from over here, except for the part about release in 2 years (news from couple weeks back). A drunken man was stabbed to death by a gang of three (or more? didn't tell); one member stabbed him three times, another member kicked him couple of times and the third member carried a knife. They tried to defend their actions as self-defence, claiming that the drunken man had threatened them and tried to assault, however the judge didn't buy this excuse. Regardless, the killer was sentenced for 5 years in prison, another fined for kicking the victim and the third fined for carrying a knife in public. A demand for compensation of 16,000 euros by two brothers of the victim was turned down by the judge on the basis that they weren't thought to have been closely related relatives anymore. The killers were quite young, ranging from 15 to 18 years old; though, 15 y/o's are legally responsible for their crimes.
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« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2006, 09:01:16 PM »
Yeager,

Good job in dealing with staga. You gave him the opportunity to put up, he can't do it, maybe even he will realize it's time to shut up. I won't hold my breath waiting for it though. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2006, 10:13:13 PM »
I don't trust any juridical system to be perfect; mistakes happen always. Problem with death sentence is there's no way to pay compensation to the wrongfully convicted.

Maverick; do You think your juridical system is so perfect it hasn't killed anyone without a reason?
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« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2006, 11:27:46 AM »
Staga,

If you want perfection in anything to do with humanity you are going to be perpetually disappointed.

Now until you have something other than the same repetitious bleating you've been doing about this subject why don't you just go and watch TV or something else that doesn't require thought on your part. You haven't provided anything to the discussion.

TANSTAAFL and there is also nothing perfect about humans, humanity or any society. All of it is flawed in some way shape or form. Deal with it.:rolleyes:  (we REALLY need the old rolly eyes thing back!)
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« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2006, 11:41:44 AM »
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"She went on, "We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people." "

never even read the whole thing but that is a silly statment.


Or... "Ignorance is bliss" eh Pongo? :rofl
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« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2006, 11:56:26 AM »
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Staga,

If you want perfection in anything to do with humanity you are going to be perpetually disappointed.


So in other words it's OK for you if your government murders innocent human being every now and then, even if it's someone from your own family?
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« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2006, 12:14:31 PM »
Staga,

I believe that there are some human beings that perform such horrific acts that they need to be destroyed.  Serial murderers, child murderers and people that murder without remorse or murder for pleasure.  I believe we must execute these humans with compassion wherever possible, but they sould be executed, and within a reasonable amount of time.  Fifteen years on average is about thirteen years too many for me.  

I would rather concentrate on making absolutely sure that no innocent person ever loses their life by means of capitol pnushment then say that no capitol punishment should ever occur due to the chance that a innocent person may be mistakenly executed.
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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2006, 02:32:38 PM »
So for you it's OK an innocent dies sometimes in chair or by poison?
Or are you thinking your judical system is free from mistakes?
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« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2006, 05:52:06 PM »
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Typical pre-war german argument which describe it.
"Look how many % of population in Berlin are jews. Now look how many % of lawyers are jews."

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You can say, that jews didnt do nothing voilent to german... ummm yes... but voilence is not the only one way how to hurt people is it ?

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Thats the beauty of it - they didn't need to resort in violence to get in power and do what they want. I think thats what she's saying in between the lines.

lol, So the Jews attacked the Germans by becoming lawyers and bringing Germany about 1/3 of its Nobel prizes before 1933 (when they fled to the US)?

Just for the record, the historical reason for so many Jewish lawyers bankers and doctors is that Jews were restricted in their allowed proffessions. They were not allowed to own land or heavy industry or goverment works or a military career. So, if you had education you'd be a banker, lawyer etc, if not you'd become a merchant or a small crafter such as a goldsmith. The other consideration is that these are businesses that are easy to transfer in case some good people decide to kick you out of the city/country.

This is true for most of europe.

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« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2006, 07:14:28 PM »
No, it is not ok, but that does not change my opinion.  Certain crimes must be punished with death.  

Yes, the US judicial system makes mistakes, plenty of them.  Too many people who should be executed are not being executed, but I have yet to see concrete proof that a innocent person has been executed since the death penalty was reinstated in 1977.
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« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2006, 07:27:39 PM »
Did a bunch of Nazi's escape to Finland and spawn a bunch of anti Semites or is it just the ones who post here?
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