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Offline whels

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2006, 06:22:20 PM »
saw on a show the other day the US in the early 40s or late 30s
had a 2 engine jet fighter on drawing board. it  had front kenards and
the engines where to have afterburners.  design specs said it would be
supersonic capable.  they killed the idea, thinking jet power wasnt needed.

will have to find the name for the plane.

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found it.
http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Lockheed-L133/L133.htm
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2006, 07:20:49 PM »
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The nozzles actually help to form something of a ramjet at the back end of the engine, after the turbine section.


yep, after the exhaust section attached to the end of it

whels:
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found it.
http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Hi...d-L133/L133.htm

while checking out ya link, whels, reminded me of the B-17 gunners manual a WWII vet gave me , inside it had  2 B&W pictures of the first P-80's  which were painted white ( not the prototypes I do not believe though ) I need to go dig that thing out of storage...
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2006, 08:44:14 PM »
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thinking jet power wasnt needed.


just like how they thought our fighters didnt need guns anymore at one point and all engagements would be BVR.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2006, 03:18:32 PM »
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the first fuel leak ;)


:lol Good one.

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2006, 08:01:46 PM »
6 parts to Jet engine

inlet to diffuser - free stream
diffuser exit - compressor entrance - free stream slowed, pressure raised
compressor exit - burner entrance - pressure raised (work done)
burner exit - turbine entrance - fuel burned temperature raised
turbine exit - nozzle entrance - temperature lower (work extracted)
nozzle exit - pressure lower velocity raised thrust produced

temperature, presssure, velocity, mass are distinct at each location.

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2006, 08:24:01 PM »
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6 parts to Jet engine
 


no offense, MrDick, I guess the US Navy mistaught me when I went thru AD A-School ( Jet Mech ) at NAS Memphis ( Millington ) back in the early/mid 80's.......

TC
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2006, 08:29:41 PM »
C' mon TC....everyone knows that squids don't know nuthin when it comes to flyen

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2006, 08:34:37 PM »
6 stages

Offline Widewing

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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2006, 08:37:19 PM »
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no offense, MrDick, I guess the US Navy mistaught me when I went thru AD A-School ( Jet Mech ) at NAS Memphis ( Millington ) back in the early/mid 80's.......

TC


I graduated that school in December 1975. It was called ADJ school as there still was an ADR (recips) school back then. Were they still using those tired old A-4Cs for turn-up training?

I liked the area, even if it was a bit redneck. Had a some good times in Memphis, at Overton Square.

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2006, 08:43:39 PM »
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Were they still using those tired old A-4Cs for turn-up training?

I liked the area, even if it was a bit redneck. Had a some good times in Memphis, at Overton Square.

My regards,

Widewing


had both A-4's and F-4's  to do turnquals/turn-ups......

I spent alot of time at  silky Sullivan's bar, bought alot of DiverDown ( 1 gallon paint bucket ) mixed drinks :-)

could get some great SHINE as well...... Overton Square / Beale Street yep fun times......

lol Max, you mean Airdale......er or nosepicker :D

( our friend Ren, gets to frequent the A-4 simulator  every now and then, he's got connections , and he lives near there, lucky dog  )
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"When one considers just what they should say to a new pilot who is logging in Aces High, the mind becomes confused in the complex maze of info it is necessary for the new player to know. All of it is important; most of it vital; and all of it just too much for one brain to absorb in 1-2 lessons" TC

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2006, 10:00:52 PM »
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Originally posted by MrDick
6 parts to Jet engine

inlet to diffuser - free stream
diffuser exit - compressor entrance - free stream slowed, pressure raised
compressor exit - burner entrance - pressure raised (work done)
burner exit - turbine entrance - fuel burned temperature raised
turbine exit - nozzle entrance - temperature lower (work extracted)
nozzle exit - pressure lower velocity raised thrust produced

temperature, presssure, velocity, mass are distinct at each location.

-MrD


Not quite how I was taught in FAR-147 school, but fairly close.

An easier way to think of it is the 5 events of an internal combustion engine:

Intake, compression, ignition, power, exhaust.

In a recip they happen at different times in the same spot (Dont even THINK of mentioning Wankle-type rotaries like the Mazda Powersport. They're an oddball.)

In a jet, it's at the same time, in different spots. And in the order I mentioned is about the order it happens in.

Intake in the front, compression in the compressor section (or sections), ignition in the combustion or 'hot' section, power at the turbine wheels, exhaust at the back end.

For a reheater, you have a ramjet at the end of the turbojet/fan, so the exhaust stage for the turbine becomes the intake stage for the reheater section. The same events occur, though usually in a much more confined space (the distance between compression and combustion can, in some types, be measured in inches).

EDIT: Foxy STILL cant spell...
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2006, 11:15:25 PM »
We had to compute temp, press, velocity, mass rate of change and density at each section (ie. p1, p2, p3, p4, p5, p6) and thrust in jet propusion in engineering school, given free stream Mach, p2/p3 (compressor ratio) etc...

But that's all a distant memory since I work in the software industry :).

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2006, 01:18:44 AM »
what happened to suck, squeeze, bang and blow?

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2006, 01:23:49 AM »
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no offense, MrDick, I guess the US Navy mistaught me when I went thru AD A-School ( Jet Mech ) at NAS Memphis ( Millington ) back in the early/mid 80's.......

TC


     Let me guess..Suck, Squeeze, Bang and Blow? :)

Ooops, just saw Golfer's post..please ignore.
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2006, 01:25:49 AM »
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C' mon TC....everyone knows that squids don't know nuthin when it comes to flyen


     It's not their flying, it's what they call a landing :lol
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