Author Topic: Overzealous Teacher (Read 2964 times)

Leslie · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2006, 04:24:53 AM »

This teacher was wrong to belittle his country in front of students. There's no place for it in any academic forum.

Les

Urchin · « **Reply #31 on:** March 09, 2006, 06:39:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
What is a neo-lib?

Teacher was wasting his time. I suspect that 90+% of high-schoolers don't give a rat's bellybutton about politics.

A neo-lib is republican speak for Democrat.

Adding the "neo" makes it sound more sinister to them.

Swager · « **Reply #32 on:** March 09, 2006, 07:50:45 AM »

The teacher did have many good points, even though it was in the wrong place to express them. Highschool kids cannot grasp the complexity of that particular political area.

Even most adults in this country do not understand. That is why it is so easy for the government to minipulate the populace. Which is what this administration takes full advantage of.

Suave · « **Reply #33 on:** March 09, 2006, 07:52:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Swager
The teacher did have many good points, even though it was in the wrong place to express them. Highschool kids cannot grasp the complexity of that particular political area.

Even most adults in this country do not understand. That is why it is so easy for the government to minipulate the populace. Which is what this administration takes full advantage of.

I call libruhl on you !!

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #34 on:** March 09, 2006, 09:42:12 AM »

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Originally posted by tapakeg
He's a geography teacher,

The students are captive.

It is not a tv show you can turn the channel.

He's holding the gradebook. Try and argue? try and pass.

He just got caught and is trying to weasel his way out.

I don't agree. In France I had many teachers in highscool showing their political opinions, especially since I'm the son of one of those political figure. It made for some prety cool debates. The class always loved it, and I extremely enjoyed it as it gave me the opportunity to be "eye level" with my teacher. I never ever feared to be descriminated and failed by ditto teachers, as test results fail you, not teachers.

I still think that those discussions open the eyes/mind of the students more than brain waching them. It gives them an opening on "not everything is pink, I'll get my free car when I'm 16, and party out my way thru college". Those kind of discussions develop critical thinking and tease curiosity, two major aces for grown up life preparation.

EN4CER · « **Reply #35 on:** March 09, 2006, 09:45:24 AM »

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SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #36 on:** March 09, 2006, 09:47:42 AM »

An there you go: "when the brain stops, the insults start"

I hope you are not old enought to vote, that would be scary.

Mighty1 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 09, 2006, 10:04:22 AM »

For starters this is not France. Second if it is not a political class then the teacher should do what he is paid to do. In this case teach geography.

Once again the teacher was not having a debate he was stating his point of view that had nothing to do with the class.

Try not to even think of this in terms of politics left or right think of it as what he was supposed to teach.

I would say the same thing if he was up there talking about cars. What do cars have to do with geography? Nothing so why waste class time with it?

EN4CER · « **Reply #38 on:** March 09, 2006, 10:18:24 AM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
An there you go: "when the brain stops, the insults start" I hope you are not old enought to vote, that would be scary.

I would agree with you somewhat SFRT if student’s could get up and leave if the don’t like what they are hearing in a classroom but they can’t (Spoken like a true politician tho). They don’t have that freedom or right to do so. And let’s face it 99.99% of all 16 year olds trying to match wits with a 30 year old teacher is like David vs. Goliath for the most part. Plus the Teacher dangles a big “I’ll give you a bad grade” carrot. Therefore the playing field has to be evened and the Teacher doesn’t have the right to go way off topic and spew his invective political rant. Your statement sounds nice in a theoretical world but lacks some substance in the real world imho. All seriousness – I would not want to be taught by this man – his lecture is more of indoctrination, not encouraging debate. I’m glad to hear everything is no nice and free and open in your country but then again – how many times was your country invaded?

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #39 on:** March 09, 2006, 10:48:46 AM »

When I was in Intel officer we had a department that dealt with what we called Geo-politic. Geography, and politics, and economy are linked together. Putting a country on a map is cute, but you still don't know anything. The physical bondaries of a country are linked to its history, and history is made by the succession of governments, and economical assets.
In Geography class in France, you learn about the today's bondary of the country, his goverment type, it's economy, and a brief history that explains what made the country what it is right now. It was mainly during those classes that political speech bursted out.

If a math teacher starts to speack about politics in a middle of a math class, I'll wonder "where did that come from?". But a Geo teacher? I am not surprised.

Hey ... to each his opinion. I personaly would make this guy teacher of the year.

I’m glad to hear everything is no nice and free and open in your country but then again – how many times was your country invaded?

I fail to see why you persist with those "bordeline personal attacks" as I do not see the relevance with our current discussion. If you would have paid attention to your own geography teacher, you would know the answer.
Here's a quicky. The conflict of interest, the geographic position of France, the jam packed borders, as well as the balance of power ratio of European nations, can in no way be compared to USA/Mexico/Canada's.

Mighty1 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 09, 2006, 11:58:34 AM »

Again that is were the problem is. This is not France nor are these kids Intel officers.

Here we do not teach politics in a high school geography class. We save that discussion for our classes on Govt and Econ.

Not saying your wrong in how you guys do it but just pointing out that WE don't teach the same way.

EN4CER · « **Reply #41 on:** March 09, 2006, 12:29:10 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I personaly would make this guy teacher of the year.

The key word here is Debate – Two sides arguing over an issue. Jay Bennish was not encouraging his students to debate him – It was a one sided “Trash Bush” moonbat far left side venomous rant. There was no debate there nor was it offered. If this was a serious debate where both Democratic and Republican view points were offered and argued I probably would not object. If you read the entire transcript from Mr. Bennish’s lecture (First Link I provided) your above statement basically allows him to be a Political Activist in the classroom. On a side note – I’ll give this one to France – Even though it has more borders to protect I’m sure they are far more secure than ours. Mexico and Canada are wide open flood gates. The Terrorists will come through Canada (Mexico does not have welfare system for them to exploit) and the Illegal Immigrants will continue to filter through from the south slowly depleting our welfare and health benefit systems. Neither Political party will touch this issue with a 20 foot pole. The Democrats want to maintain a stable group of dependents on the old welfare “Entitlement” systems and the Republicans love the cheap labor. What's it going to take to wake both sides up? Certainly not the likes of Jay Bennish teaching our most valuable resource.

nirvana · « **Reply #42 on:** March 09, 2006, 12:33:27 PM »

Do you have high school age children, Mighty? If i think back, my world geography teacher brought up politics quite a bit, rise of Communism in Russia, Cold War, WW2 and concentration camps, Nazis, stuff like that. He wasn't spouting off about how Bush is equal to Hitler, but damn, there are always politics with geography. Hell, you could say the middle east is a big political screw up from WW1. But I digress...

So you're angry at him for wasting time, sure, think a little deeper and how much hatred you feel towards him for calling Dubya a mini Hitler. Besides, Bennish was wrong at any rate, Bush isn't smart enough to be Hitler.

Stang · « **Reply #43 on:** March 09, 2006, 12:45:56 PM »

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Originally posted by nirvana
Hell, you could say the middle east is a big political screw up from WW1. But I digress...

straffo · « **Reply #44 on:** March 09, 2006, 12:46:59 PM »

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