Author Topic: Overzealous Teacher (Read 2967 times)

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #60 on:** March 10, 2006, 07:58:45 AM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
See my post earlier. If the guy teaches Geography by only teaching "borders and maps", then he's NOT doing his job either.

Althrough it is hard not get involved in personal political belief when you are talking about countries political climates, I do agree that the teacher pushed the matter a bit too far. Yet, I fail to see the need for a "public crucifixion".

As far as the hate generated on the topic, I would quote the proverb : "It's the one that knows the least that has the strongest opinion".

Depends on whether you are wanting him to teach geography or social studies. And I fail to see where the current administration has moved any borders. Changed two regimes? Yes. Moved borders? No. So, once again, even by your loose definition of geography, the guy is WAY out of line.

No one is trying to publicly crucify him. However, bringing his antics to the attention of the authorities in the school system was NOT getting him back in line. Besides, it is long past the time that this sort of thing is made public as being common practice. Not only is it true that what was taped was not a rare occurence in THAT class, but it is also true that it is not a rare occurence PERIOD. My daguhter has complained bitterly for YEARS about it going on. The entire time she was in high school she complained about it. She says the same thing about college now.

There's "hate" on both sides. Most of it is "the ravings of a mad man, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". Which, by the way, describes the teacher's constant rants. Sadly, he was being paid to do that in front of a class of high school students, with their parents money.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #61 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:01:46 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Well,without politic how do you explain how the border are placed ?

Show me which borders the current U.S. administration (G.W. Bush) has moved. Do they constitute THIRTY PERCENT of the worlds borders? As my reply to Frenchy stated, even by the loose definition you use for geography, this clown is completely out of line with regards to the subject he is being paid to teach, and for the most part, totally out of control.

lazs2 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 10, 2006, 08:02:17 AM »

public schools spend most of their time teaching nothing... what else is new.

vouchers would fix it.

lazs

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #63 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:17:02 AM »

Virgil, I understand your comments, but I still share an another opinion.

It's like cars. Would you consider someone than can make the difference between a 69, 73, 76, 81 vette bobies really knowlegeable about Corvettes? Surely not, the shape changed accross the years, but you need to know about Engines sizes, Cams, Carbs, tranies, suspensions, Gvt regulations to fully know/understand about Corvettes physical changes along the years.

Physical boundaries of countries are molded along the years by their governement policies, neighboring countries policies, economical assets and physical characteristics such as seas & montain ranges.

I'm sorry that your daughter was anoyed by such "teachers", but I personaly had no issues with them. Yet, I was at the epicenter of such debates as my dad was a political figure. One of my geography teacher was a communist party leader frequently opposing my dad at meetings. His classes were targeted at me with a lot of Communist ideologies. I was on the front row aguing the validity of his endoctrinement. Soon I was join by a couple others in the class. It made for great non-borring teaching.
It taught me a lot, I had to learn making intelligent remarks/counter-remarks to equaly stand up and be credible. I had to hit the books and learn about said "countries administrations", so I could put bullets in my gun.

In college, same thing happen with a Economics teacher, that was a leader of my dad's political opposing party. It started all over again, and this guy was also the dean of the college. Yet, I graduated 2nd overall.

I understand it can be a pain when you just seat there. But that's what teenagers do. They seat there, and complain about little stuff, because by definition, a teenage has to complain so he can make his life exciting. To me, those teachers made a difference by indirectly teaching me a lot.

Seems like this bord is divided on the matter:)

, if we were part of a jury, the guy would fail do be convicted.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #64 on:** March 10, 2006, 10:37:54 AM »

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #65 on:** March 10, 2006, 05:32:29 PM »

Frenchy, I understand your point. The problem is, the subject that is supposed to be taught is being entirely neglected in many cases. The students are getting out of class having learned little or nothing about the subject, regardless of how much "less boring" the class was. If the school system was turning out very well educated students as a rule, rather than barely educated semi literate "graduates" then there'd be room for the somewhat extracurricular diversions. But sadly, that isn't the case.

The system needs to be turning out students with a full knowledge of English, including grammar and spelling, a full knowledge of math, at least up to algebra and geometry, a sound understanding of basic economics, a good foundation of science, including biology, chemistry, and physics, and a good grasp of geography and history. They aren't getting all of that before the graduate high school. that being the case, the esoterics of debate and politics are more than superfluous, they are in fact a detriment and a hindrance. The current system does not have the time or resources to squander on the foolishness of that clowns ravings. Not considering the current level of education high school graduates possess when they get that sheepskin.

Shuckins · « **Reply #66 on:** March 10, 2006, 07:15:58 PM »

There is a difference between guiding young minds and being an intellectual bully.

Context is everything. If the teacher in question was merely trying to stimulate a healthy debate then there is no problem. Respecting the views of one's students while presenting an opposing viewpoint is never a problem in a classroom.

Conversely, if the teacher was brow-beating his students, belittling their opinions, and trying to manipulate the formation of their political beliefs then there is most definitely a problem. Evidently, some of his students were sufficiently incensed at his methods to complain.

If a review board finds that the latter example is the case he should be summarily fired.

Sadly, he is typical of all too many in our "modern" society who feel no reluctance whatsoever to show open contempt and derision for the opinions of others.

Manners are rapidly becoming passe.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #67 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:21:27 PM »

Good point Virgil

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #68 on:** March 11, 2006, 06:34:46 AM »

Jay Bennish has been reinstated. He was disciplined, but did not lose any salary or tenure. Bennish says he'll continue much along the lines as he did before.

I'll state right here and right now that unless another student steps up and tapes the guy, he'll be doing EXACTLY the same thing within a few weeks.

SirLoin · « **Reply #69 on:** March 11, 2006, 06:41:35 AM »

Don't think she should be preaching to kids like that .

lazs2 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 11, 2006, 09:03:59 AM »

frenchy... it would be more like a teacher who was teaching auto shop but all he did for half an hour every day was screech about how the CEO and staff of GM screwed up the '73 vette... Or... How unions were the salvation of the American auto industy or what the CEO and execs of the jap auto industry made for salaries.

I would rather that my kid were taught how cars worked and how to work on em.

lazs

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #71 on:** March 11, 2006, 10:09:24 AM »

Good example.

lazs2 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 11, 2006, 10:13:52 AM »

If we had vouchers you could send your kid to a school that just taught him the facts of the thing.

We would not be more concerned with indoctrinating than learning or being PC over fact.

Our lazy and bloated monopolies of bureocratic socialist school systems would not be a free ride for commie teachers. They could be as commie as they liked so far as I am concerned.... just so long as they had to compete.

lazs

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #73 on:** March 11, 2006, 10:33:44 AM »

I think that teacher's salaries should be directly linked to their class average grade from a semestrial national exam.

No teachers screaming in this BBS? I'm surprised.

Shuckins · « **Reply #74 on:** March 11, 2006, 12:07:59 PM »

I'm a teacher Frenchy,

As I stated earlier, he should be fired.

I also support school vouchers and smaller schools. Merit pay has my support, but I feel it may be difficult for teachers in districts heavy with populations of low socio-economic patrons to compete for the bonuses.

Arkansas' consolidation minded governor, who is a Democrat masquerading as a Republican, has left me bitter about many things related to education. He's about to make a run for the presidency. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric. The Huckster loves wielding the power of office to push his pet social engineering programs.

Regards, Shuckins