Author Topic: Massive 30mm rubber bullets problems (Read 1288 times)

Grits · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2006, 12:33:11 AM »

The only problem I have with 30mm's is actually hitting something with it. Every time I actually HIT something, it dies.

Waffle · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2006, 12:50:23 AM »

no film of it but this evening I hit a 190 with a manned feild gun - saw hit, saw tha cannon hit effect...dude kept on zooming aorund - no big deal...lol

Krusty · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2006, 01:25:44 AM »

Okay, first off, I saw wrag's post. His post is geared towards folks that can't hit any type of gun. I've mentioned several times that only 30mm do this, 20mms and all other guns hit just fine.

Having said that, I STILL used FS auto start and STILL got the BS 30mm hits. In fact, when I posted this, mentioning a 262 sortie followed by a 152 sortie, I was using FS Autostart and it didn't help at all.

It's not my end, it's everybody's end.

Brauno and I did a test, him in 262 vs my lancs in MA, and me in 109k4 vs his lancs right after.

His 262 reported very few hits to make a drone go pop. It was ridiculously lethal, so much so that I suspect something was up with the arena. He popped one drone so fast he only saw 1 sprite. He popped the second drone in 3 hit sprites, 1 was on the tail and 1 was on the wingtip, and the drone just instantly went POP. He then set my lead on fire in just 1-2 hits (it was about 3 but one hit wing, I saw the damage, so that's a different damage area).

Then I attacked him. I hit one drone with just 2 hits and POP! I wasn't even near the cockpit. I then attacked the next drone and POP! I wasn't even near the cockpit! It was a low six attack! WTF?? Instant lanc death tonight in MA?

I'll review the films we rolled during this test, but I can't accept them as of yet because they are too abnormal.

Krusty · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2006, 01:27:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
no film of it but this evening I hit a 190 with a manned feild gun - saw hit, saw tha cannon hit effect...dude kept on zooming aorund - no big deal...lol

EXACTLY the problem I'm seeing. Hits. Hits registering no less. Then no damage.

EDIT: Either it's a damage problem or it's a false hit register problem, either way it needs to be fixed!

Saxman · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2006, 02:50:42 AM »

I haven't been in range of manned ack lately, but the last two tours I was getting no-ping popped if I so much as LOOKED at the manned guns.

Docc · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2006, 08:10:39 AM »

Sorry Saxman. Last tour I had over 570 kills in manned ack.....this month planes are a lot harder to hit due to the mini-warps of about 200 feet when they come into prime range. Can't wait for the server to be moved back.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2006, 09:24:18 AM »

I too have had these problems with lanc's.You shoot the hell out of them and hardly nothing.If i had a way to post it i would,for i have a film of myself in a 109-G-2 and it takes all kinds of shots with hardly any damage.

I have noticed this same problem with the Hurri-MkII-C.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2006, 10:29:27 AM »

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2006, 01:30:01 PM »

yes, of course we're all a bunch of luftwhiners. there is nothing wrong with any luft playthings. nice film mersu, thanks for posting that.

cav58d · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2006, 01:33:40 PM »

I flew a 262 yesterday (3-10) and took down 8 buffs on one sortie with the 30's...I havnt seen any problem on this end

mojo55 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2006, 08:17:48 PM »

I am not one to complain, but lancs are harder to kill.
I can usually take out all 3 in a 163, but not so in the past few weeks.
Just my 2 cents.

Reo
"The few, the few, the MAW"

Krusty · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2006, 01:32:49 AM »

Hrm... this is odd... I had a chance to whip up on Author65 (he just keeps reupping bombers for the same field over and over and over, usually milk running so gives you no opposition if you want to shoot him down) so I took up 109s with 30mm, and fired just the 30mm guns.

B26s -- tough, but land hits in the same area and you see damage
B-24s -- not as tough as B26s, easily damaged with 30mm
Lancaster -- head on, fired 12+ 30mm rounds directly into its nose, forward belly and 1 wing root and no damage. Not even an oil or gas leak, nothing, nada zip.

Got all of these on film, too.

Reviewed the lanc film to see exactly how bad I missed -- I didn't miss at all. I pounded him like a meat tenderizer does meat, and he didn't take any damage. A 190a8 finished him off and I got the kill (meaning the server recognized my hits, they were valid hits, but it also means my hits didn't do any damage to a plane they should have incinerated).

EDIT: actually I reviewed some more film.. THe b26s are too tough... It takes upwards of 10 rounds landing to do anything. I made a high speed pass across one's 2-3 oclock and landed a dozen hit sprites, and I think the only damage he got was an oil leak. I ended up finishing him off in another pass, but he should have popped instantly in the first.

The b24s took no damage other than fireballs, and I let them burn up instead of wasting ammo, aside from that they took quite a few rounds wihtout losing ailerons, flaps, or anything. Just caught on fire, nothing else.

EDIT 2: more review of same films... B26s are either experiencing the lancaster problem or are modeled as the toughest plane in the game. While not as pronounced as the lancaster, it takes a lot of 30mm before showing any signs of damage. The B24s I mentioned: one of them DID get a gas leak in the outer wing, as well as get set on fire, but the other did not. I popped the lead in a HO with lots of hits, but can't count that due to instant pilot kill.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2006, 03:29:32 AM »

From what I've seen it's not so much a 30mm thing as it is a lanc thing. I have hit Lancs with round after round of 37mm from my 9T and they just lose ailerons or elevators. If I hit any other bomber with the same rounds it dies.

Krusty · « **Reply #28 on:** March 12, 2006, 12:48:38 PM »

Actually, I think the B24 has a little of the same problem. The only thing with the B24 is that it lights up like a zippo, so you wait and it will eventually burn itself out, but that doesn't mean it sustained any major damage, it only got a fire.

I upped a 163 the past week to take on a set of 30k b17s on a HQ run (how the hell they got up there I'll never know!!) and I ended up landing many MANY rounds on them before killing them. I expended just about all my ammo on 3 simple bombers -- something that rarely happens.

Lancs have it worst. B26s perhaps second worst, but b17s and b24s also have this problem.

Softail · « **Reply #29 on:** March 12, 2006, 09:42:38 PM »

Krusty....no major damage? Fire is a terminal condition.

The B-24's have become flying Shermans. The Germans called the Sherman Tank a "Matchstick Tank". One hit and its a fireball. Same thing with the 24s. I rarely have one destroyed from pure firepower. However, I am so tired of losing a formation of 24s to a single P-51B (B...as in BOY) with only a few 50 cal hits on the wing.

It takes about 3 .50 Cal hits to set the thing ablaze. Then the 51 climbs and all I can do is watch my b*tch burn. Those fire extingquisher buttons are just for show in the cockpit. No matter how hard you click em...they just don't work.

When I loose a bird...and the 51 is down for a second pass....whooosh...a couple of hits and flames. Repeat for number 3.

24's burn quicker than a Kate, Kite or Zero in this game. But...sounds like I'm going to change to those big ugly cant-climb-worth-***** lancs. ;-)
I just hate the thought of no belly guns ;-)

Softail

Author Topic: Massive 30mm rubber bullets problems (Read 1288 times)

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