Author Topic: Fish over Men (Read 740 times)

Eagler · « **on:** August 01, 2001, 02:24:00 PM »

Amazing to think that some screwy tree hugging policy caused/contributed to the death of the four brave fire fighters. Sad when you put a stupid fish over a human being.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,31019,00.html

mietla · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »

Isn't this excatly their agenda? To brainwash us into thinking that a human life is not any more valueable than a life of a pig, a cockroach or a dandylion.

Abolish this EPA gestapo.

fd ski · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2001, 03:16:00 PM »

from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,31019,00.html

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Testifying before the committee Tuesday, USFS Fire Chief Dale Bosworth said that under standard procedure, firefighters would have used the Chewuch water to fight the fire and addressed any environmental violations or restrictions after the fire was extinguished. He said he was investigating why dispatch waited for approval before sending the helicopters.

"We get the water where we can get it and ask questions later," Bosworth said

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"At 12:08, the dispatch office ordered the helicopter," Flatten told Fox News. "However, because there are endangered species in the Chewuch River, they wanted to get permission from the district in order to dip into the river."

Looks to me like a dispatcher started thinking too much and not following procedures.

Go to the phone book and find a hotline number for endangered spicies preservation, 1800-can-we-use-water ?

Look at the time line, looks like a total cluster f__k by whoever was running that op.

So easy to blame a government agency, ain't it ?

Yoj · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2001, 04:28:00 PM »

And the tree-huggers.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, there are some people who AREN'T worth a fish.

- Yoj

Yoj · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2001, 04:32:00 PM »

Oh and Eagler, man - you gotta stop getting your news from Fox. Those guys will say anything if it looks like a good headline, facts be damned.

- Yoj

GWH · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2001, 06:47:00 PM »

IMO, it's partly due to goofy rules but mostly due to human error related to the goofy rules. And those goofy rules extend past the ESA. There's also the FS's expensive policy about needlessly fighting some forest fires due primarily to the influence of lumber industry interests.

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2001, 08:21:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Yoj:
Oh and Eagler, man - you gotta stop getting your news from Fox. Those guys will say anything if it looks like a good headline, facts be damned.

- Yoj

sorry you think 4 ppl losing their lives because of restrictions on water use due to a fish is not newsworthy. Imagine being burned alive ... I can't.

pimpjoe · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2001, 12:17:00 AM »

i think its roadkill. it dont matter how bad of a person you are, in my opinion you are better than a salmon or trout. if it were me making the decisions i would have said get the water anyway. there is no possible way a judge is going to say that a fish is more valueable than a human life. especially the life of a fire fighter.

StSanta · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2001, 07:12:00 AM »

pimpjoe, ya need to add a "p" in "pimpslaped"

batdog · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2001, 01:28:00 PM »

Its a spieces thing...man is over the fish. I like to eat fish. Fish like to eat me. I eat fish but they aint ate me yet. I win... so far. Hey...do I smell like fish?

xBAT

Cobra · « **Reply #10 on:** August 02, 2001, 01:37:00 PM »

Batdog,
You need to change your "from" location to "depends on how much SHE drank last night"

<G,D,R>

Cobra

Yoj · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2001, 02:04:00 PM »

Eagler, I defy you to find where I said the death of four people was not newsworthy. Moreso for those of us here in the area. I just said Fox was a poor choice as a news source.

And Joe, I'm sure I'm a small minority here, but to me our temporary and essentially accidental position at the top of the food chain does not make us any better or more deserving of anything than any of the other people we share Earth with. This insistance that humans are somehow separate from the rest of the planet is fearfully wrongheaded, and probably will lead to us killing ourselves of one way or another.

No, I don't think concern over endangered fish is any reason not to act to save the lives of four humans - that does not mean I won't be concerned about the fish. And not just for the sake of the fish. As the quote goes, extinction is forever, and everything alive directly affects us. There is never a way of knowing that fish won't end up being our only means of survival.

- Yoj

mrfish · « **Reply #12 on:** August 02, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

go brethren g!

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2001, 02:40:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Yoj:

And Joe, I'm sure I'm a small minority here, but to me our temporary and essentially accidental position at the top of the food chain does not make us any better or more deserving of anything than any of the other people we share Earth with. This insistance that humans are somehow separate from the rest of the planet is fearfully wrongheaded, and probably will lead to us killing ourselves of one way or another.

No, I don't think concern over endangered fish is any reason not to act to save the lives of four humans - that does not mean I won't be concerned about the fish. And not just for the sake of the fish. As the quote goes, extinction is forever, and everything alive directly affects us. There is never a way of knowing that fish won't end up being our only means of survival.

- Yoj

Yoj
You don't send ticking packages through the mail do you? the uni-yoj

Yoj · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2001, 04:33:00 PM »

Excuse me! That's the Yoji-bomber, please!

No - I get riled up by extremes on all sides. Some of the animal rights bunch seem to reside in cloud-kookoo land. However, I don't dismiss all of it either. We are the boss ape on this world - that's reality - and I do kinda like my species (well, most of the time). I just think we can't forget we're not here by ourselves. And, again, its not for altruistic reasons. Taking care of the place we live in is good for us.

- Yoj