Author Topic: In Defense of HO attacks (Read 1466 times)

stegor · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2006, 08:07:13 AM »

Well.... you and all HOers dweeb can do what you want; if this is your way to have fun......
He who is a little bit skilled in the game knows how to react and take advantage from this crappy maneuver....
But please be so open-minded not to whine when OTHERS play THEIR game; so don't whine on ch.200 whe you are cherrypicked, when you are tag-teamed, or vulched....to each his own fun

N.B I dont refer to anyone in particular, but I've noticed this unbalanced practice goin'up more and more on MA ch 200

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2006, 09:24:08 AM »

Like it or not Happy is right. By the AH standards in WW2 the US were Alt Dweeb, HO, Vulching, Gang Banging, Runners

With that said, the HO is not a good opening move. It is best to avoid the HO. As a matter of fact, I like to hear them guns firing when on the first pass. It gives me a clue as to the skill of my opponent. Most times their tactic does not change for the next pass. Worry when you do not hear the guns, as these opponents are positioning for the kill.

When you just point for the enemy and go for the shot, you will be leading your target. If you miss, it makes it easier for your opponent to get position on you for the next pass. First work to get in position behind your target, then aim and fire.

Gunner

SVIGGEN · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2006, 05:10:10 PM »

I think that it is ur choice, war is war and if u want to simulate WWII, in which all kinds of pilots used head-ons depending on the situation, then go ahead. Certain planes like il2 and mossie head on others very successfully, some like the b5n and a6m do not. I would nt advocate avoiding it 100%, or using it always. It depends on the situation to benefit u. If u are in a hurricane 2c and the opponent is in a a6m, ofcourse use it as the zero is both faster and turns better. If you are in a me262 and the opponent is in an a20, do not do it because ur perks will be gone, the 30mm is not that effective in long range, and the a20 is far stronger.

Conclusion: Depends on situation, nothing in the world (and AH) is black and white

SKJohn · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2006, 05:10:51 PM »

As I've stated before, the reason people gripe about the HO is because back in the Air Warrior days, the HO was just about disabled, and you didn't have to worry about it.
Then when AW folded, and peole came to AH to fly, they found out that their status quo had been upset, and they would have to adjust to a new and different style of playing/fighting. They've been griping and complaining ever since.
Then as new players entered the game, and saw the "vets" griping about the HO, they started doing it also, just because it seemed to be the thing to do.
Never mind the fact that it was a valid tactic that WAS USED in WWII, or the fact that common sense dictates that if you have the enemy in your sights - you pull the trigger. It's just something else for people to complain about. Sort of an AH elitist, snobbish attitude that says "if you don't fight the way I want you to, you must be a dweeb!"

These people are the same ones that if you shoot them down from their 6 position, complain that you were using a Spitfire, or were an "alt dweeb", etc.
Some peplle will never be satisfied...

Murdr · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2006, 05:45:54 PM »

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Originally posted by SKJohn
As I've stated before, ....

Repeating your opinion doesnt mean you know what you're talking about.

SKJohn · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2006, 09:28:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
Repeating your opinion doesnt mean you know what you're talking about.

Sorry about having an opinion - I'll try not to let it happen again. . . .

Hazard69 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2006, 10:58:26 PM »

I think the focus of this thread has been diverted.......

HO.....IF a HO oppurtunity arises IN THE MIDDLE of a fight.....take it. NO ONE WILL GRIPE ABOUT THAT!

What all the GRIPING IS ABOUT is that there are players whose only move in a FIGHT will BE A HEADON.

Now as for practicalities, almost any aicraft poses a advantage in a HO agaiinst a zeke, for resons like wingmounted guns, weak structure etc and so the HO can be used with minimal risk. How many HOs have been done against KI61s, with the 20mms being inline? Or for that matter even with wing mounted guns, almost no one will HO a P47 or a 190? Heck most even avoid my P38? Why do you think that is?

HO is a tactic, but is meant to be used as a secondary tactic, when no other choice or an open window appears, not as a way to fight the fight.

OF COURSE at the end of the day, its your game n you have a right to have fun, so the final decision is yours. SOme have fun by winning, some have fun fighting.........AND YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIGHTING AND WINNING.

Murdr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2006, 11:01:31 PM »

Opinions are encouraged, otherwise this board would be a ghost town

I disagree with your baggage from AW assesment, but I think sviggen's assesment that 'it depends on the situation' sums it up pretty well.

The HO should be in the toolbox, but figuratively speaking when someone pulls out a hammer to loosen screws, and also to tighten bolts, and also to clean the windows its no wonder there is griping when those 'handymen' are encountered.

SAS_KID · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2006, 11:03:50 PM »

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Originally posted by SKJohn
As I've stated before, the reason people gripe about the HO is because back in the Air Warrior days, the HO was just about disabled, and you didn't have to worry about it.
Then when AW folded, and peole came to AH to fly, they found out that their status quo had been upset, and they would have to adjust to a new and different style of playing/fighting. They've been griping and complaining ever since.
Then as new players entered the game, and saw the "vets" griping about the HO, they started doing it also, just because it seemed to be the thing to do.
Never mind the fact that it was a valid tactic that WAS USED in WWII, or the fact that common sense dictates that if you have the enemy in your sights - you pull the trigger. It's just something else for people to complain about. Sort of an AH elitist, snobbish attitude that says "if you don't fight the way I want you to, you must be a dweeb!"

These people are the same ones that if you shoot them down from their 6 position, complain that you were using a Spitfire, or were an "alt dweeb", etc.
Some peplle will never be satisfied...

but at the same time that 262 is traveling at a high thus making the closure distance and rate for the potato guns very good thus giving increased range and usually that 262 has an element of surprise to it.

SAS_KID · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2006, 11:08:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Hazard69
I think the focus of this thread has been diverted.......

HO.....IF a HO oppurtunity arises IN THE MIDDLE of a fight.....take it. NO ONE WILL GRIPE ABOUT THAT!

What all the GRIPING IS ABOUT is that there are players whose only move in a FIGHT will BE A HEADON.

Now as for practicalities, almost any aicraft poses a advantage in a HO agaiinst a zeke, for resons like wingmounted guns, weak structure etc and so the HO can be used with minimal risk. How many HOs have been done against KI61s, with the 20mms being inline? Or for that matter even with wing mounted guns, almost no one will HO a P47 or a 190? Heck most even avoid my P38? Why do you think that is?

HO is a tactic, but is meant to be used as a secondary tactic, when no other choice or an open window appears, not as a way to fight the fight.

OF COURSE at the end of the day, its your game n you have a right to have fun, so the final decision is yours. SOme have fun by winning, some have fun fighting.........AND YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIGHTING AND WINNING.

dude the ho'ing we are stateing is the guy that lines up from 5k ho's you and runs then comes back lines up at 5k and ho's you. And yes HO WAS A TACTIC but in WW2 the HO's they did were from High 12 diving in or coming up on em not going dead 12 and ramming you... only time they did that usually was when a 38 pilot would do it to scare the zeke to turn so he could get on its six and shoot it down. Also, you think the HO'ing noob cares what you are flying??I've been HO'd by almost every fighter in every fighter and i usually due to my uber connection.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2006, 02:48:39 PM »

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Originally posted by SKJohn
Sorry about having an opinion - I'll try not to let it happen again. . . .

Nothing wrong with having an opinion but having an opinion doesn't necessarily mean you're right.

ack-ack

ZULU6 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 15, 2006, 03:14:59 PM »

AKAK where you been bro? You know I save that Special-K HO for you! Nice to see you! >>>S<<< Z6

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #27 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:59:09 PM »

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Originally posted by ZULU6
AKAK where you been bro? You know I save that Special-K HO for you! Nice to see you! >>>S<<< Z6

Been busy with real life stuff and don't have the time or the motiviation to play that much anymore. Hopefully when things settle down I'll be playing more. As always Z6, great seein' you again

~~ack-ack~~

Roscoroo · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:17:48 AM »

HO in my Jug !!! I gave those up eons ago . Its better to avoid or risk the dweeb ho spraying and praying while making the merge turn on them and addin more lead to there ride..

toon · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2006, 10:34:15 AM »

if you can HO me,i'm not mad at you ..i'm mad at me.on the merge i expect you to try and maneuver accordingly.however if you do try you are telling me from the jump...you're not very good and with the power of almighty SNOOP DOGG i will smack my HO down.