Hammerhead in 109g2

[Atlatl]

Anybody willing to explain how to get the g2 to do a decent hammerhead? Seems like it ought to be relatively easy with the engine power.

All I've ever managed is an incredible stall flop when trying one of these maneuvers. I've tried all the different views, flaps/no flaps, CT/no CT, etc. in TA, and something just isn't clicking.

I should also note that I have a twisty stick...no rudder pedals, if that makes a major difference.

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Krusty]

With the current instability modeled directly into the 109s? It's not possible. It was possible in AH1, but not in AH2. The 109s are porked, somehow. They flop horribly at all speeds, and especially slow, so you can't hammerhead -- you're too busy preventing the flop, preventing the stall, which you can't avoid. Without that flopping, that instability, you could do the hammerhead. Alas, it'll never be fixed.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by Krusty
With the current instability modeled directly into the 109s? It's not possible.  

You sure? Maybe you should have Nath or Apar(amoung others) demonstrate. It can be done, but most don't have the skill to do it. Nath invented this move that made the hammerhead look like a rookie move. I'll look for the film of it, I might have deleted it already. It's one of the sickest moves I've ever seen in any plane by any pileit.

[bcee]

I`d like to see that film...

[Krusty]

Well maybe folks with $300 CH products and 10+ years of making hammerhead moves can just barely pull it off, but for 99.999% of the rest of us, what I said applies, it is practically impossible.

EDIT: I used to be able to do it in AH1 with a simple twisty stick. Not anymore in AH2.

[Atlatl]

I'll continue to check back for that film, SuperDud, in the hope it still survives.

That being said, can anybody get a 109 to hammerhead anymore in AH2? I'll have to look for some trainers in the TA.

That being said, I've been flying the 109 (g2 particularly) for over two years now, and I love the plane. But it sure does feel like it's one of the toughest planes to survive in these days.

But then I'm no better than an average flyer anyways.

Thanks for the info and anything additional would be great.

[Creton]

The move that Superdud is referring to ,is fairly simple to execute.
I believe that the move anyway is the same move that I've copied and it took about 3 weeks to get the timing down on the move,if its executed right you'll be victorious about 95% time if not then you cannon fodder.

Put the a/c in a fairly steep climb to the right,while the boggie on your six and slightly below you ,as your spped dipps below 160mph then start droping flaps,then pull the stick full back while holding full right rudder and doing a left aleron roll ,hold the rudder until the move is complteted.This is very hard to explain but that is the jist of the move.If you will watch Nath's film the "rooster" he does this same maneuver about 3 minutes into the film while an f4u is chasing him.

This is a great move but ussually most advantagous against a slower dogfight when the boggie is outta E.

Hope this helps,if not look me up in the main arena sometime and we can show you the move.As far as hammerheads go the 109g2 does it pretty well.The g2 is my main ride.

P.S. I use an old ms sidewinder twisty stick and I've only been playing for 4 yrs.

[AutoPilot]

With the current instability modeled directly into the 109s? It's not possible

i have no problem what so ever getting the G2 to hammerhead,i even outclimb Ki-84's in it.

really all this talk of crappy 109's since they were redone is baffling too say the least,i think they fly way better than they did before.