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Offline Furball

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2006, 02:23:38 PM »
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In a dive from 80,000ft. it could probaly reach mach 3 , I wonder what the world looks like at mach 3:confused:


wouldnt diving from 80,000 feet progressively raise the mach # required to go mach 3? the thicker air stop it from ever reaching that fast?
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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2006, 02:42:26 PM »
Look, the Mig-25 cannot even cruise close to Mach 2 and it can reach Mach 3 in very short "sprints"


Logic would dictate that an airplane crusing at Mach 2 could lite the Burners and make it to Mach 3 easy...
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2006, 02:44:52 PM »
depends...

when the U-2 is flying at 80,000 feet, isnt the difference between stalling and overspeed something like 5mph?
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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2006, 02:50:14 PM »
yes but the u2 is only flying at 400 mph.  you got a little more cusion when flying at 2,000 mph.


plus I'm not talking about 80k ...I'm saying Mach 3+ at its optimum altitude, which is probably closer to 40k.

Face it all Non-Americans.  The F-22 is the first operational fighter capable of flying at Mach 3+.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2006, 02:53:53 PM »
Think cruising at Mach 3 for the Raptor would be very bad for the RAM and for the carbon construction of it.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2006, 02:54:13 PM »
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Face it all Non-Americans.  The F-22 is the first operational fighter capable of flying at Mach 3+.


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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2006, 02:57:21 PM »
ok, Furball



without having destroyed its engines and only reaching mach 3 for like 5 seconds.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2006, 02:59:15 PM »
after the MIG does mach 3 , you have to replace the burned out engines.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2006, 02:59:53 PM »
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Face it all Non-Americans.  The F-22 is the first American operational fighter capable of flying at Mach 3+.


i very much doubt it could reach mach 3+.  but still..
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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2006, 03:02:46 PM »
you don't know that.  I have logic on my side.  According to a Test pilot "The difference in technology between the P-51 and the F-4 phantom is roughly equal to the difference between the F-15 and F-22."


Can you say Mach 4 maybe?
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Offline RAIDER14

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2006, 03:17:53 PM »
the only the thing that can go mach 4 or higher is the U.S. space shuttle and those are getting decommisioned in a few years
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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2006, 03:22:04 PM »
Choocha,

Im not saying it isnt possible. I do however logically highly doubt it possible. The Mig-25 is able to sprint at Mach 3+ , it however is a special built plane. The engines are made to operate at altitudes with much thinner air. The F-22 was not designed to fly and intercept aircraft in excess of 60k.

My problem with the raptor and Mach 3+ is the air density. The amount of force required to push through the higher speeds at 40k would be substantial... Math maniacs chime in here...

The wings if I remember correctly are designed purely of composite materials.  Will they be able to withstand the extreme temperatures or will they burn into ash. I dont have the answers, just logical doubt that it can operate at those speeds.
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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2006, 03:33:00 PM »
The F-22 was not designed to fly and intercept aircraft in excess of 60k.



how do you know that?  there are many secrets with this airplane.  info. has been dribbling out of Tyndal and other AFB's that seem to indicate the opposite.



for example, a test pilot remarked, "because of the altitude and speed capability, the F-22 can drop munitions at vary long distances from target.  Much longer than any platform in the world."

he's refering to jdam's  ...and if you drop'em from 80k at mach 2 or higher, then you can make them reach much further.

also, another test pilot remarked that, "Many people think the thrust vectoring gives the F-22 better manuvering capability and therefore can dogfight better.  However, in fact the thrust vectoring is used to maintain control authority at very high altitudes."
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Offline Choocha

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2006, 03:34:49 PM »
My guess:


Mach 4 @ 100k= Dead Eurofighter
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Offline Replicant

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2006, 04:13:32 PM »
I guess the F22 can shoot anything down with its photo torpedoes and warp drive :aok

:rolleyes:
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