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Offline mietla

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« on: March 14, 2006, 10:47:27 AM »
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The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have to much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have to little.

FDR


Did FDR really say that?

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 10:51:50 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 11:14:11 AM »
FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 04:30:28 PM »
on the tail end of the great depression - what else would joe six pack want to hear but a line from robin hood...
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 04:45:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Hangtime
FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!
...and wasn't he the only guy to be elected president at three consecutive presidential elections - 1932, 1936, 1940? Are you saying the American electorate is stupid?

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 04:47:24 PM »
4, actually... IIRC.  He died a year into his fourth term.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 05:00:57 PM »
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4, actually... IIRC.  He died a year into his fourth term.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 05:03:33 PM »
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FDR put into the American Brain the concept of 'welfare'. While widely revered as the President that 'saved' America from economic collapse, he's also the guy that created 'big brother' government and was responsible for the most far-reaching incursions on our constitutional rights EVER. An interesting look into his mindset is his 'Imperial Presidency'.. the guy actually attempted to take executive control of the Supreme Court!


Yea, that was definately not one of the high notes of his time in office.  

Although, basically the goal of every President wrt the SC since has been to pack the court with ideologues of their particular flavor, so he doesn't really stand out as being unique.  He just wasn't as subtle as those who came after him.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2006, 05:12:09 PM »
I'm pretty sure FDR used the word "too" and not the word "to".

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 05:16:27 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 05:22:57 PM »
He actually pronounced the second "o"?

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2006, 05:27:52 PM »
Yes - he had lessons from Mystic Meg.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 07:28:50 PM »
"Are you saying the American electorate is stupid?"

Stupid....I don't know about stupid, but the electorate is doubtlessly gullible.  This is true of any country.  Even our founding fathers recognized that, hence why we're a representative democracy with many unelected offices (supreme court, the senate originally, etc).  The US isn't and has never been a a pure democracy.


My parents loved FDR, and even they admit he probably would have made himself King if he thought he could get away with it.  He was a great president in some ways, but he was the dangerous sort of great who always wanted more and more power.  It's probably just as well that he died before WW2 ended.

That said, something had to be done in 1932, and Social Security and programs like the TVA did much to help out many people.   Laissez-faire presidents like Hoover and Harding are uniformly remembered as among our worst.  At the risk of being branded a socialist, I'll say that I think smaller government isn't *always* better for the country.  The problem isn't necessarily Big Government in and of itself--it's when Big Government keeps getting bigger and bigger like a cancer.  We tried "small government" once before, with the Articles of Confederation, and it failed miserably.


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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 08:11:12 PM »
In thje context of the time that sentiment seems appropriate.