THX for all the replies, I'm all over the place with these things right now . I'm forgeting to let the rudder go back to center alot , and basically trying to find a foot position thats comfortable . I woke up this morning and my legs and butt are sore as hell lol. I kinda like to have my whole foot on em right now so that i can push on 1 and pull the other , seems to make the input smoother . 38