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Offline gofaster

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« on: March 20, 2006, 02:50:53 PM »
I just got back from the 12 hours of Sebring yesterday and I gotta take my hat off to Audi for completely DOMINATING all of the other entrants.  They went out and set a new course record - one which they had set themselves a few years earlier - by 2 seconds, took the pole, and were lapping cars within a handful of times past the flag stand.  From then on, it was a race for 3rd until one of the Audi LMP1s dropped out with mechanical issues and opened the door for 2 podium spots.

The real race was in GT1 between Corvette and Aston Martin.  Corvette won the 52nd race, Aston Martin won the 53rd, and this year the two factory teams were really pushing each other hard from start to finish.  With the last few hours ticking down, the #4 Corvette had 1st place sealed up (barring mechanical problems which is always possible at Sebring), an Aston was in 2nd, and the #3 'vette was swapping positions with the other Aston Martin.  Aston made a fantastic pit stop and took the lead from the 'vette, but the Corvette hung right on his tail up to the final lap.  Going down the Ulmann straight, the 'vette was hanging on the Aston's bumper when the 3rd-place Aston swung wide on setting up the final turn under the bridge, then shut the door on the chasing 'vette by cracking the wheel hard to the inside.  Brilliant piece of driving.

The first thing I did when I got back (after showering to make myself presentable in a civilized society) was take our SUV down to the car wash to have the dirt and dust cleaned out.  In the sports section there was a poll: "which are you more likely to follow this weeked - the Nextel Cup race in Atlanta or the 12 hours of Sebring?"  The poll result was nearly 93% would follow NASCAR.  Yet, the unofficial attendance for Sebring was something like 160,000 people.

To be honest, the NASCAR road races I've seen (not the ovals, the road courses) are almost painful to watch.  Those NASCAR cars are just too big and too heavy for most road tracks.  Its like watching aircraft carriers trying to navigate a canal.  But, NASCAR has the money, the sponsors, and the fat tv contracts so when people think of racing, they think NASCAR.  That's a shame.  ALMS is great racing.  If you're even just a casual race fan, you gotta get to Sebring for the 12-hour event and plan on camping for all 4 days.  Even if you hate cars, you'll enjoy the beer drinking.

My hats off to:

1) Audi, for pushing the performance envelope and racing diesel engines.  I was expecting the usual dit-dit-dit-dit lumbering diesel sound.  Those things were whisper smooth, quiet, and shot the cars out of the turns like greased lightning.  I have seen the future of motorsports.

2) Spyker, for their repair work.  On Wednesday a Porsche cracked up in Turn 15, coming to rest on top of a concrete barricade, shattering the barricade.  It would require a $35,000 tub from the Porsche factory to get the car race ready.  On Thursday, a Spyker spun and crashed and ended up on top of the concrete barricade, too.  The Spyker team had their car repaired and running by Saturday morning's practice.

3) Pilgrim and Angellelli of Cadillac Racing, for their success in the SPEED World Challenge GT race against the lighter Vipers and Corvettes.  Even though they didn't win, they managed a respectable finish.

4) Panoz, for finally breaking Porsche's streak of wins in GT2.  While I'm at it, Ferrari deserves a salute just for showing up.

I won't be flying for awhile.  I'll be turning laps at Sebring in my NR2003 mod. :)

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 03:00:06 PM »
Are they still running the Audi R8s? That has to be one of the greatest racecars ever built. Consistent wins, extreme speeds, extreme cornering, and a system so reliable it goes 3 endurance races with just an oil change. :huh

Got to fondle one in Vegas a few years ago :D


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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 03:05:54 PM »
That one was on display in the Audi tent, right near the front gate.  Its an older machine but could probably compete and do ok.

Audi ran the diesel R10s and they were very, very impressive machines.  I wouldn't be surprised if the engine technology transferred over to other racing circuits.

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 03:06:15 PM »
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3) Pilgrim and Angellelli of Cadillac Racing, for their success in the SPEED World Challenge GT race against the lighter Vipers and Corvettes.  Even though they didn't win, they managed a respectable finish.

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I love Team Cadillac! Been following the since they started in the GT challenge.  Those CTS-VR's run with so much weight balist and still keep kicking butt. It was shame to see that had to start the new season with the same balist from last year. Down side they get more weight added for next race. :(

Pilgrim and Angellelli are great drivers too boot.

But you for got # 5

Star Mazda!!

A buddie I autocross with Gerardo Bonilla won the Star Mazda race friday.

I had tickets for friday I was so sick I couldn't go. :(

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 03:14:15 PM »
I saw a Star Mazda race a couple of years ago and it was kinda boring.

HOWEVER...

This year's race was balls-to-the-wall the entire time.  A couple of cars got together in the hairpin and the cars behind them didn't even blink; just a touch of brake, a flick of the wheel, and they were gone.  Those things were faster this year than I remember them being before, and the drivers were much more aggressive.  I'd say they were probably the ideal car for Sebring (other than maybe the SPEED Touring cars).  You should've made the drive and puked out the window. Why watch F1 in Bahrain when I can see screaming open wheel racing at Sebring. :)

I spent some time this morning checking AutoTrader for used Miatas, then I realized my wife would probably kill me if I brought one home.  :D

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2006, 03:32:22 PM »
Get one there fun as hell..  

I've autocross for about 3 years now. I got a 1994 Miata last Dec for 2000 bucks. I think I've got 5K in parts on this one. Got all the handling issues out of it last year. This year I've won all 3 events in my class.

Next upgrade is the roll bar so I run out at Sebring :aok

You can run with Chin Motor Sports for about $300.00 which isn't too bad..

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2006, 03:39:55 PM »
There's a 1995 for $4k that caught my eye.



if only I had a bigger driveway and more disposable income...

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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 03:40:21 PM »
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That one was on display in the Audi tent, right near the front gate.  Its an older machine but could probably compete and do ok.

Audi ran the diesel R10s and they were very, very impressive machines.  I wouldn't be surprised if the engine technology transferred over to other racing circuits.


Nice. I wouldn't be suprised at all. The R8 was perfect for it's time, and of course technology is only going to make it better :) Audi was claiming 15 minutes to replace the entire rear end, and the techs claiming they were doing it faster than that :O

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2006, 08:57:42 PM »
I like the old closed cockpits of the IMSA GT series races. They need to televise more of the roadcourse stuff.

As far as NASCAR goes.....Its been an institution in my family since before I was born, but since NASCAR is letting Toyota run with the cup cars in 2997 is kinda making me an unNASCAR fan. It was bad enough they let the japs run in the supertruck series, but I aint about to let it slide for the cup cars.

NACAR was always about the "Big 3".

Toyota needs to go make their own race organization and stay the hell outta NASCAR.

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 11:18:09 PM »
A Rook who first flew 09/26/03 at the age of 13, has been a GL in 10+ Scenarios, and was two-time Points and First Annual 68KO Cup winner of the AH Extreme Air Racing League.

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 01:23:27 AM »
I have always held the belief that NASCAR should use cars right off the showroom floor. I'd like to see those cars go 500 miles round and round. ;)

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 03:21:43 AM »
I'd love to have one of these....


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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 06:57:29 AM »
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I have always held the belief that NASCAR should use cars right off the showroom floor. I'd like to see those cars go 500 miles round and round. ;)


You need to get your blue-jeaned bee-hind down to a SPEED World Challenge Touring and SPEED World Challenge GT race!  Closest thing to production-car racing there is, and loads of fun to watch.  There's a good blend of 'vettes, Vipers, BMWs, Mercedes, Audi's, and my fav, Cadillacs.  Their next race is the Honda Grand Prix of St. Pete, with the IRL cars as the marquee event.  Its right in my backyard but I'll be out of town on business. :cry

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 07:00:03 AM »
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I remember when those cars raced.  They were so dominant that the crewchiefs pulled them into the pits on the white flag lap so that they could clean them up for the cameras when they crossed the finish line.  Its a shame Nissan got out of ALMS-style racing.

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 10:09:27 AM »
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I have always held the belief that NASCAR should use cars right off the showroom floor. I'd like to see those cars go 500 miles round and round. ;)


me too, i want to see real cars race, not fake "stock" cars.

nascar has become a made for TV sport like roller derby and wrestling.