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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2001, 01:47:00 PM »
Relax, guys.

The newly emerging powerhouse nations will volunteer to lead the UN peacekeeping forces into Gaza.

Because of previous poor performance as the world's cop, US forces will be unable to attend, but will cheer enthusiastically for the "Blue Berets" from the sidelines.

Preliminary estimates are that this operation shouldn't take but a few months. It is predicted that both Israelis and Palestinians will soon be holding joint picnics at the Wailing Wall, singing "Kumbyah, my lord, Kumbyah" and Coke's famous "I'd like to teach the world to sing". With this, the problem is solved and in the immortal words of Billy Boy, the troops "should be home by Christmas."

Unfortunately, the Blue Berets will only get to stay home for the actual holiday week, as they are also needed in Sudan.

As you all know, in 1989, a coup brought a radical regime to Sudan, an Iranian-style theocracy led by Lt. General Omar Hassan al-Bashir and Sheik Hassan al-Turabi, head of the National Islamic Front (NIF). The regime used the deepening crisis caused by the civil war as the pretext for decreeing martial law.

Armed to the hilt by Iran, Iraq, China, and others, Khartoum declared a jihad against the south. The result has been the escalation of one of our century's greatest human tragedies. No southerner, it seems, has been exempt from its horrors. Women have been raped by the tens of thousands, their children torn from their arms and compelled to convert to Islam. Young men have been kidnapped and forced to fight against loved ones. Entire villages and towns have been burned to the ground, their people burned alive or taken into slavery.

An estimated two million people, mostly civilians, have died in Sudan and four million have been displaced in the past 17 years as the result of civil war. Primary responsibility for this devastation belongs to the Sudanese government, a military regime based in the north. The principal victims include the Dinka and Nuer peoples in southern Sudan and the Nuba of central Sudan.

Unfortunately, once again (due to poor past performance), US troops will be forced to sit this one out.

Go, Blue Berets, GO!
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »
I can only hope Toad as I feel that is the way this thing is headed. A mideast Vietnam.

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I realize the photos are over simplification of the entire thing. Just to make you think and prod responses that I hope to educate myself as well as others about the entire mess. I wonder why this shelling of Israel tanks into villages isn't reported, photographed & shown as are the Palestine suicide bombings. As I am not there, I can only judge the entire mess on what I see, hear and read from here. I'm interested in what would drive a people to such acts - on both sides...

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »
Funny how it's the Isreali's that fire into neighborhoods, and not the Palestinian leaders who use their own citizens as "human shields".    A matter of perspective I guess...

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
Israel has built ghettoes, almost similar like Nazi-Germany built in WW2.

I wonder if people of Warsaw, Krakow and Lodz ghettoes would use resistance like this in those days it would piss some Americans just like people of Lebanon do now ?

Wake up guys.

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2001, 05:22:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Eagler:
I wonder why this shelling of Israel tanks into villages isn't reported, photographed & shown as are the Palestine suicide bombings.

well halelujah, is that the sun peaking through?  :)

yeah eagler, i too often wonder why it isn't played up to the same degree. or why there aren't more touching arab heros in our pop culture - plenty of bad guys for chuck norris to straighten out and 'not without my baby' dramas though huh?

the info is there however if you want to see it. if you are already convinced the israelis are good guys then you wont even see this stuff because its usually buried.

here is the text of an article i posted in this forum may 7th '01 from assoc. press. it isn't the one with the sick picture i saw (that was on a palestinian propaganda site) but there are plenty to choose from anyway  :

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli tanks rolled into Palestinian-controlled territory Sunday and pounded houses with artillery as they pursued gunmen who had opened fire on Israeli forces. One Palestinian was killed and 20 were injured in the firefight on Jerusalem's southern fringes.
Also late Sunday, Israeli tanks fired shells on the West Bank city of Tulkarem in response to shooting from the area on an army position, the army and Palestinian witnesses said. Eight Palestinians were wounded, one seriously, in the shelling,
Palestinian doctors said.

At least 20 Palestinians were hurt, according to the Beit Jalla hospital. The wounded included a 5-year-old boy seriously injured by shrapnel, and an 11-year-old girl with a patch over her eye and drops of dried blood on her blue-and-white school uniform. The Israeli army said one of its soldiers was lightly injured

Gilo is built on land Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 Mideast War and later declared part of Jerusalem.

Israel's army has made several brief incursions into Palestinian-controlled in the past month in response to Palestinian attacks. The advances have drawn sharp international criticism, and the Israelis withdrew Sunday after several hours, as they have in each previous instance.


Udie said:

"Funny how it's the Isreali's that fire into neighborhoods, and not the Palestinian leaders who use their own citizens as "human shields". A matter of perspective I guess..."

well that's an interesting twist and use of gulf war lingo - they started the 'human shield' thing with sadam hussein and it's been useful rhetorically since. unfortunately. it's kinda like saying "that girl wouldn't have been raped if she wasn't wearin' such tight pants" but to each his own i guess.

i suppose i'm not inlightened[sic] enough to see it from any other perspective than the guy with his finger on the trigger and the random civilian houses in his gunsights. if you want to judge suicide bombers so be it, but you gotta apply it both ways.

all they have to do to attack civilians is say they were chasing a terrorist - who's gonna doubt em? not you - not any american probably! they got the public hook line and sinkered. unfortunately, your pals the israeli's don't belive in trials like we do here in the u.s., they pass judgment and sentence right there on the spot.

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2001, 07:27:00 PM »
Toad, what's with this attitude towards the UN?

I've got a class mate who every summer goes to the former Yugoslavia and clear mines. I have others who've been down there on several tours.

My best friend's brother, whom I know quite well, saw some of his friends die when their camp was shelled by grenades.

We have people here coming back with post traumatic stress disorder. We have good men and women trying to do something decent in what is overall a warped and cruel world.

The UN might be hampered over the fact that it's not governed by only one government and thus have to compromise. It may be cash strapped compared to the mighty USA and it may not have the firepower of the same.

But for the sake of something larger than us, the Un peacekeepers and their commanders aren't out there for fun, to show off their uniforms. UN peacekeepers from a large numbers of countries have tried and died just as the American "police" has.

Everyone seem to be on these men and women's case. Me, I respect them for doing a hard job that's not properly recognized.

I got the sarcasm in your post and realize that you're mainly commenting on the large role the US has played in international affairs 8and do so by the will of the political leaders in the US), but I'm no fan of UN bashing for no reason. they're out there and they're doing their job as best they can, and are putting their lives on the line.

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »
I don't believe I did "bash" them Santa.

I wish all peacekeepers well; a noble profession to be sure.

I just can't wait until the UN gets off its collective duff and gets to work. I think those who have been so critical will find it is not so easy as it looked from the grandstands.

Yeah, the Balkans are under control in a fashion, I guess.

Gaza is pretty much out of control; noone even discussing action.

Sudan has BEEN out of control for a long time. 2 MILLION dead? A religious based slaughter? It may not be the "HOLOCAUST" but it is sure sneaking up on a "holocaust". Where's the International Concern? Noone even discussing action.

Kurds in Iraq? No fly zones? When is somebody else going to take the duty? No one even discussing action.

Only the Brits have helped out on the UN mandated "no-fly zones" and only in the Northern zone. 10 years is a long time; lot of wear and tear on airframes. Our Guard/Reserve contingents are bailing out of their Units in droves due to the excessive commitments. Apparently, there's starting to be a perception that Guard/Reserve are supposed to be "just like Regulars" up on Capitol Hill. This just isn't the case, never has been and you can't use them that way in a non-National emergency situation.

I could go on and on. The world is NOT a friendly place.

You want some peacekeeping? Takes money and troopers, fact of life.

Time to put some money and personnel where the mouths have been for so long.

So where is it?
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2001, 09:37:00 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2001, 11:53:00 PM »
Yep, the UN is a big joke. No commitment, no action, too late to do anything significant.

Guess it only works when the world's oil supplies are at stake. How sad. Blood < money. Warped, wicked world.