Savages

[Eagler]

Jerusalem Restaurant Bomb Kills 18
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010809/ts/mideast_dc_15.html

And they expect to gain what with actions like these? And Israel will be protrayed as the bad guys when they retaliate...

Seems "peace" for Palestine isn't until everyone in Israel is dead. They are a government out of control, if you can call the terrorist bum Yasser Arafat's gang a government. Israel is crazy if they think they can talk sense with this current group.

 

This idiot couldn't govern a bunch of nuns let alone a country of crazed lunatics, sad.

[Sandman]

As if it were that simple...

[Gh0stFT]

well this suicide fanatics are not interested in ANY peace project. They simply dont want Israel at all. They will go suicide bombing until the last Israeli is gone.
Arafat ? the fanatics dont care about him.
You know, theyr religion says, die fightging Israel and you have the ticket for paradise for sure.

This will never end, sad but true.

[Toad]

There's plenty of savages on both sides of the fence in this one.

Don't worry, I'm sure the UN will step in and instantly solve all the problems in the near future.  

[straffo]

savages ?
yes but from which side ?

[miko2d]

Originally posted by SwampRat:
...funny how people forget.  Back in the 70's, Arafat publicly stated that he would not rest until every Israeli was dead.  This guy and his cohorts have no intention of "peace" in the middle east, to believe so is just plain dumb.

 With all my dislike for Arafat for his past sins, I am pretty sure he is not behind the violence and his (and Israel) only concern would be that he is not murdered and replaced by some radical fanatic. He has to pay them some lip service so that he is not killed outright - US and Israeli government  understand that.
 He does not have much power or any control over the radical movements who are responcible for the violence.

 miko

[funkedup]

Israel and Palestinians remind me of two kids in the back seat of the station wagon.  

Kid 1:  "He started it!"
Kid 2:  "No, HE started it!!!"

What they need is a spanking.  US needs to "stop this car and come back there."  

[Udie]

Originally posted by Eagler:

   (Image removed from quote.)  

 I always wondered what Ringo Star was doing after the beatles broke up, but I had no idea!!!


Udie

[mrfish]

yeah those dirty filthy savage animals!

(remember your opinion-conditioning boys and girls: it's ok to call palestinians savages, just not jews. that's the rules. you see, calling a palestinian a savage means that you are a big tough truck drivin' manly man, who eats apple pie, loves the lord jesus savior christ, and is a proud flag waving 'murcan. whereas calling the jews animals means you are a stinky nazi.)

[Udie]

Originally posted by funkedup:
Israel and Palestinians remind me of two kids in the back seat of the station wagon.  

Kid 1:  "He started it!"
Kid 2:  "No, HE started it!!!"

What they need is a spanking.  US needs to "stop this car and come back there."    

 except that every time palestine says "he started it" they kill 18 or so jews as well as one of their own.

 I wonder what any other country would do against another that has terror bombed them for over 20 yrs.  I'm suprised it hasn't blown up into full scale war in so long, that tells me that Isreal does want peace.  Every time Isreal meets one of the Palestinian demands, the PLO comes back with 2 or 3 more.  How many years did it take Palestine to take out the part of their charter that called for the destruction of the jewish state?  Did they even realy take it out?

 BTW,  I'm not flaming or disagreing with you Funked, just quoted your post to use your "kids" as a segway into my post  


Udie

[LePaul]

These guys can't let anything go.  If one side bombs, the other *must* retaliate.  Its like a sad duel where the loosing team insists on the last kick.  Then, wonders in dismay why they are getting kicked back for kicking.

There isn't a simple solution for it, despite all the land trading and such.  I think the Israelis have done a vastly better job of doing what they say and meaning it versus Arafat's clowns.  Point is, despite all the masquerading and speaches, they don't want Israel, and its their little holy war to destroy it.  They can shake hands, give up some land or whatever, but the point of the issue is that when the sun sets on that agreement, its back to square one.

<shrug>  pretty sad place in the world to live.

[Eagler]

mrfish
I don't see them as jews and non jews, I see them as human beings. I think the ppl of Palestine would gain the worlds sympathy & respect if they resort to peaceful demonstrations and other civilized forms of communication. The first step would be the leader(s) of Palestine denouncing such voilence and arresting the crazies as would be done in any other civilized country. That being impossible, as he'd be shot before he finished that speech, I can only judge what I see - a civilized country (one that's allied with the US)fighting an uncivilized one (one that shouts "death to America" -everytime a tv camera is thrust in their face). If the tables were turned I'd be on the side of Palestine, jewish or not..

LePaul
I don't think they directly retaliated for the last night club bombing. A missile up the arse of a known terrorist as he drives down the road doesn't equal blowing the crap out of a restaurant full of innocents. Can you imagine if Israel blew up a crowded store, bus, restaurant full of innocent ppl? The entire world would be screaming for their heads, but it's accepted by many when the other side does it...

here's an interesting link showing the Palestine side:
 http://mail.jmcc.org/media/reportonline/

be sure to check out the segment "our axe to grind" - seems they have it out for just about everyone or anything that doesn't agree with their agenda..

[fd ski]

Eagler,

even since i was a little kid, i remember the pictures of poor palestinians. World's pity is nice, but it is yet to translate into action.

They are being actively pushed out of their houses. More and more as the "settlements" are made larger and larger.

The bombings you see are vain ( and stupid in my opinion ) attempts at palestinians to defend their country.
You yourself stated that you need to have a gun at home to protect your freedom, right ?
Well, their land and livehood is being taken away from them, so they are defending it the best they can against overwhelming force.

Franly, i feel that Sharon has more of an axe to grind then anyone else. He started the whole mess to jack perez out of his seat and succedded. Now, he's going to be a war hero...

As for that link, axe to grind thing: they are pointing out some common media misconeptions in the media. One per month. Compared to the number of complaints they could make - i think they are being VERY slow and convervative... they could update that page every 1 hour  

[Nashwan]

I wonder what any other country would do against another that has terror bombed them for over 20 yrs. I'm suprised it hasn't blown up into full scale war in so long, that tells me that Isreal does want peace.

They could do what Britain did when a wave of money and weapons enabled the IRA to resart their campaign of terrorism in the late 60s and early 70s. ie, very little, and let the conflict de-escalate. At one time, the IRA was perfectly happy planting bombs in pubs and railway stations, killing dozens at a time. With no major response from Britain, that got less acceptable, and it's now politicaly un-acceptable for even the most extreme groups like the real IRA.
If Britain had done what Israel does, and sent over fighters and Helicoptor gunships to bomb targets in Ireland, and attacked Irish police stations etc, Britain would still be suffering attacks like the Birmingham pub bombings and Harrods bomb.

Is anyone suprised that this attack happened? Israel has been using it's airpower to attack the Palestinians a lot recently. It looked like they were trying to provoke a response, now they've got it. Anyone want to bet a lot more Palestinians will die over the next few days than Israeli's did today?

[mrfish]

man, reading these responses all i can say is we need to put more money into education in this country. there are definitley a few unattended leafblowers somewhere in the states right now.