Some adjustments and a request

[Oldman731]

We removed the B26s.  I'm aware of no authority that the version of the B26 in use at Moresby in 1942 could outrun the version of the A6M at Lae at that time.  More important, it appeared this evening that the Allies had been using the power of the Ultrabomber to take most of the bases on the map, which, in a short time, would have produced a repeat of the Sunday night fiasco.

We put SBDs on US carriers, as they should be.  And, thanks to Platano's keen powers of observation, we will check out when the A6M5 should become enabled.

Now the request:  Please please please remember that you DO NOT win the war in AvA.  Taking all of a country's bases simply porks the arena, as occurred on Sunday evening, until a staffer learns of the problem and can get to a computer to fix it.  If you see this happening, please let the perps know this - they may be new to the arena, and blissfully ignorant of the difference.  If they aren't, please film it.

Thanks!

- oldman

[Grits]

All ur basez are belongz to mey!!

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Grits
All ur basez are belongz to mey!!

.permaboot Grits

[Shifty]

The A6M5 should come out earlier if for no other reason then to sub for the A6M3. Plus the A6M3 was in fleet use by the Battle of Midway. You should leave the A6M2 available for those that want to fly through the entire setup as a KI-43 type sub.

The A20 is more than enough bomber. I know there were B-26s at Moresby prior to Guadalcanal. I have no idea what version though. You can probably bet it's much earlier the whatever version the B26 in AH is.

 It's pretty funny though you leave the Allies with no bomber at all for two days. Nothing to defend against the Japanese fleets taking bases. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and those fleets are in danger . We just can't have that.

 As soon as something Storch doesn't like comes up you fix it at the sound of his first squeel.  Your getting soft OM.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Shifty
It's pretty funny though you leave the Allies with no bomber at all for two days. Nothing to defend against the Japanese fleets taking bases. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, and those fleets are in danger . We just can't have that.

 As soon as something Storch doesn't like comes up you fix it at the sound of his first squeel.  Your getting soft OM.

It's not like the Japanese had a twin-engine bomber for the first two days, Shifty.  And, after all, during this period of the war it was them taking bases, not the US.

Removal of the B-26s, though, was principally the result of the arena nearing pork status.

- oldman

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Oldman731
It's not like the Japanese had a twin-engine bomber for the first two days, Shifty.  And, after all, during this period of the war it was them taking bases, not the US.

Removal of the B-26s, though, was principally the result of the arena nearing pork status.

- oldman

They still had bombers, and were able to run the map Sunday. They had fleets everywhere , and there was nothing to keep them at bay. My point is........... Did anybody complain, or post a whine about it? The Allies took their lumps kept their mouths shut and rode it out best they could,, as always.

 Mr Storch starts complaining about something and it's a problem, that needs fixed. Does everyone need to start behaving like Storch to get what they want?


Whats the purpose of this arena? In your first post on this thread you advise people not to take bases. In another thread in here, you advise people to just ride their planes in and die. It's like all your trying to do is promote a furball arena.  If so why have base capture on at all, and why include bombers if your going to negate their ability to affect the battle? Just turn all of it off , and call it what it is. The furball arena.

By the way.............. This is not meant as an insult to you OM. I'm just curious as to what the hell the purpose of this arena is.

[Slash27]

The B-26 was removed for the reasons stated. Despite individual opinions about Storch, it doesnt mean he cant have a point now and again. A6M2 vs B-26 formations makes as much sense as a P-40B vs Ki-67 formation. Removing it makes sense, sorry. The A-20 is still there and plenty capable.


Base capture is still enabled, all that was asked was not to run the table and reset the map. Not asking too much and how that implies "Furball Only" is beyond me.


The A6M5 is going to be subbed for the A6M3.



The planeset will change soon.



It isnt the end of the world.

[gear]

You gotta admit one thing,with all those CV's around there was no long flights to find a fight.Granted there are those few that will use them to capture that lone base on an island all by it's self.  Cannot figure why there's no tactical advantge of owning it.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Slash27




It isnt the end of the world.

Never said it was the end of the world.


 Good call on subbing the A6M5 for the A6M3.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Shifty
Whats the purpose of this arena? In your first post on this thread you advise people not to take bases. In another thread in here, you advise people to just ride their planes in and die. It's like all your trying to do is promote a furball arena.  If so why have base capture on at all, and why include bombers if your going to negate their ability to affect the battle? Just turn all of it off , and call it what it is. The furball arena.

Bad morning, Shifty?

My first post doesn't advise people not to take bases.  It advises them not to take all the bases, a far different thing, and the main reason for disabling the B-26s.  We had the sense that there were people who wanted to achieve an arena reset.  You know what this does, possibly they didn't.

People can ride their planes in and die, or they can bail and float majestically to earth.  Both are historic options.  Bailing and then teleporting to the tower is not.

Storch, if memory serves, only asked that B26 formations be turned off, not that B26s be disabled.  We took the more drastic approach to deal with bigger problems.

The arena is what it has always been, Shifty, an arena that tries to use settings that are a bit more realistic, but mainly an arena that tries to stick to history.  Seems to me it's actually doing that pretty well at that.  Historically the Americans weren't rolling up the Solomons with B26s in 1942.  OTOH, the fights we've been having with P-40s and A6Ms have encouraged both sides to use historical tactics.  If you want to bomb and take bases, the resources are there for both sides.  

I'm just a bit shocked to see all the complaining about the silly B26 thing.  There was one guy last night, you'd have thought that we shot his dog.

- oldman

[storch]

you didn't shoot his dog but you sure did shoot his pork pony.  I suspect that it would be SST150, he had singlehandedly dispatched 12 CV fleets with the B26s prior to my logging off.  In fairness the dweebry was in full swing on both sides, especially last evening with members of grupul 7 gleefully capturing undefended bases.  given that type of atmosphere I can understand the allied player's frustration and subsequent action with the B26s.  Look at sfer's stats and see that he's captured over fifty (50) bases this tour.  I have suggested that base capture be made a fifty + troop affair in the AvA.  One hundred troops would be better, players like sfer would be the reason for the suggestion.  I log on every day at 0500 just to attempt to prevent him from porking the map.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Bad morning, Shifty?

- oldman

Actually I'm having a great morning.

I'm really not hot or cold on the B-26s. I do care about ignoring when one side is defanged , and not the other. The Japanese offensive threat was negated after Midway. Guadalcanal broke their back,,, Offense wise .

Is there going to be a representation of that,  like the two days of just P-40s, and C-47s for the Allies? Are you going to show the effects of a Rabual
cut off from resupply, and left to the mercy of Allied air and naval forces? Of course not. There would be way too much complaining.  Plus it would be a pain in the butt for the axis guys. Which believe it or not I don't want happening myself.

However this is basically what you did the first two days of this setup, to the Allies. Yet you wouldn't dare put the shoe on the other foot for fear of all the anti axis conspiracy complaints.

 I just ask that you be aware that you do hamstring  the Allies at times. Most of the time nobody complains. Thats doesn't mean it don't suck

I understand that somebody running the board will pork this arena. I also understand that guys that do fly bombers , want to have an effect on the battle. I theres a habit in here to frown upon mud movers, which leads to less people flying here. I'm glad to see the buff drivers no matter what side. The more they are here , the more that others will be attracted here.

My two cents OM.

Hope you have a great day

[gear]

There's been a rash of early mornning CV killing going on.Players switch sides move fleets switch back and kill them.
  Is there a way to set a time limit that will let you change country and then switch back after a set amount of time passes?

[Stringer]

I think setting a time limit would hurt the ability to balance the sides.

I check the numbers every time I log on and go to the lowest side, and then while I'm on, I'll check the balance from time to time and move if it gets unbalanced.

Plus, I like Storch, but I don't know if I've ever seen him have a point, but then again, he does wear a hat all the time, so maybe I've just never seen his point

[Shifty]

Originally posted by gear
There's been a rash of early mornning CV killing going on.Players switch sides move fleets switch back and kill them.
  Is there a way to set a time limit that will let you change country and then switch back after a set amount of time passes?

Too bad you can't make so if you take command of a fleet , your automatically stuck on that side for a few hours, or days. The target manipulating is a problem that seems there is no good answer for. Do people do this for points? If so maybe turning the whole points and rating system off would help. if thats possible.
Of course this sounds like a good idea to me, if my rank is below 200 it just means 200 people havent flown in the arena yet.