Lets add rescue missions for the stranded pilots

[Revor]

Dont you just hate it when you get about 6 kills and you have to bail because some cherry picker picks you off when you least expect it while RTB? Well not anymore because with rescue missions now you can return safely back to your back as if you had landed there on your own and still get credited with 6 kills on your sortie! Not only that but the person that rescues you gets about 30 perk points! This is how it works.


 Lets say that I'm flying somewhere and got shot down. It sucks huh? Well not anymore because all you have to do is ask for some volunteer to pick you up and the brave soul would have to fly behind enemy lines with a goony bird plane to pick up the downed pilot and fly him back to safety only to earn himself a lot of perk points to whatever points he wants to distribute to whether its fighter, attack, bomber, or vehicle. Lets give these pure goony bird fliers more of a mission than just delivering supplies and capturing bases. Not only reward the goon pilot but also reward escort fighters by having them join a rescue mission.

   Now i know some of you are asking but what if someone just simply abuses the system by just bailing on purpose only for their buddy to get perk points? Well lets make it that the downed pilot has to have at least 4 kills in order for the mission to be valid.

What do you guys think?

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[rabbidrabbit]

It would be good to have this mechanism.  We did something similar with d3a's and supervised joining in a scenario.  It was actually very popular.


Not thinking it would be used extensively in the MA but it would see some use and be very nice to use in scenarios where planesets are limited.

[TyrNM]

Excellent idea but I would like to add another aircraft - PBY-5 - for the same mission but picking up downed pilots from the sea. Also, the PBY-5 should be available from ports. Perhaps the PBY-6A could also be taken off from land bases (and ports) but could carry a small perk price ("Super Cat") since it is an amphibian and is a better performer. As for scoring, the PBY pilot should get perk points equal to what the downed flier earned. If the downed pilot was in a fighter, PBY pilot should get fighter perk points and so on. Perhaps the fighter pilot gets to keep his kills but loses 1/2 his perk points or something. Perhaps there could be a perk point multiplier for each additional pilot picked up (1=1.0, 2=1.2, 3 = 1.3,...and so on). There should also be a perk point reward for making is safely back to base with at least 1 rescued pilot.  To prevent abuse, nothing would be rewarded for rescueing a downed pilot that has failed to score. Both PBY models should also have a variety of weapons choices: Torpedo, bombs, rockets,...etc. Perhaps it can carry supplies from ports too! Perhaps it cannot rescue a downed pilot if carrying a bomb load - too much weight for a water take off. I am interested in feedback and would like the chance to improve on the idea. I know the SAR mission has been generally tossed about by quite a few and for quite a while.

[Lye-El]

And the LA-7 pilot gets credit for two kills. The rescuer and the rescued.

[TyrNM]

No. Only gets 1 kill for shooting down a rescuer. Somebody already got a kill for shooting down the rescued pilot. Though it should be attractive to shoot down the rescue plane - not just because it is an easy target -  perhaps shooting down a rescue plane is a good point score and perhaps there is a bonus multiplier for every rescued pilot onboard and the rescued pilot(s) only get the bailed or ditched score/stat they would have received in the first place.

[Gato]

I think this whole idea has merit.  The goon, the PBY and also, why not the Jeep?

Looking at this, it will be very complex to work out, but IMHO, worth it in the end.  I would say the downed pilot would have to have 2 kills and not the 4 stated before.  It takes 2 kills to get a notice, so 2 kills it should be.  I also think the downed pilot should share his perks with his rescuer.  He may not get all his "landed" perks but it would be better than just getting the perks for a ditch.  Having bailed out should also facture in the equation.


Good Idea - I like it

[38ruk]

This would be good for TOD errr   combat tour too

[rabbidrabbit]

why would it be complex?

At the minimum you would be able to "join" any approved vehicle within a short range and when they land you do too.

Does it need to be more complex than that?  We already have "join".

[TyrNM]

Yes, the jeep should be included -  Thanks for the feedback! I know we still have some kinks to work out but there has to be a design that works. I think we are close. I think the rescued pilot should get to keep everything he earned if he is sucessfully returned to based - his incentive for getting rescued in the first place. Perhaps the rescuer should get a fixed amount of perks points, 10 for example, and then add some progressive multipier times the perk points the rescued pilot earned. Perhaps something like 0.25 for first pilot, 0.5 for the second, 0.75 for the third and 1.0 for the forth, so:


1st Rescued pilot had 8.0 perk points          8.0 x 0.25   =   2.0
2nd Rescued pilot had 9.0 perk points         9.0 x 0.5     =   4.5
3rd Rescued pilot had 4.0 perk points          20.0 x 0.75 = 15.0
4rth     ''         ''      ''     7.0 perk points          7.0 x 1.0    =   7.0
 
total                                                                                    28.5
28.5 + 10 (sucessful rtb) = 38.5 perk points.

Sounds like a lot but considering what the rescuer went through to get 4 pilots picked up. If he only picked up 1, then the rescuer would get just
10 + 2 = 12. Then again, he didn't really do all that much. The 10 basis could be raised or lowered based on additional factors such as country dominance or numbers imbalance. My numbers are just a scenario that we can improve upon.

[rabbidrabbit]

What stops folks from perk farming if the rescuer gets perks?  I know its lame but it will happen.

[TyrNM]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
why would it be complex?

At the minimum you would be able to "join" any approved vehicle within a short range and when they land you do too.

Does it need to be more complex than that?  We already have "join".

Keeping it simple is a good idea but where is your incentive to rescue the downed pilot? What is your idea as far as scoring? Your join idea works for me - as far as the mechanics for doing a pickup.

[TyrNM]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
What stops folks from perk farming if the rescuer gets perks?  I know its lame but it will happen.

Valid point! I'm all ears. Do you have an idea? What should be the incentive for a rescue attempt? Perhaps a jeep pickup should be worth very little since you probably won't be driving all that far for a pickup from a AF. Picking up a downed pilot is probably a risky venture as the the enemy that just shot down your buddy is probably still in the area. Perhaps there is a perk penalty for getting shot down while flying a rescue mission. Perhaps the rescuers perk points need to be more closely tied to the rescued pilot. If you bail without a kill just to perk farm your buddy's rescue attempt, then perhaps your buddy gets nothing! Perhaps all you get is the rescued pilot's perk points and the rescued pilot gets to keep what he earned too. Perhaps you only get the base points if you have "rescued" perk points.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by TyrNM
Keeping it simple is a good idea but where is your incentive to rescue the downed pilot? What is your idea as far as scoring? Your join idea works for me - as far as the mechanics for doing a pickup.

there is no incentive for me in erning perks, the incentive for some would be the fun of the mission.

[TyrNM]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
there is no incentive for me in erning perks, the incentive for some would be the fun of the mission.

Excellent feedback. Perhaps only the downed pilot gets to keep his points. Perhaps the honor system works here. You may go on a rescue mission knowing that sometime in the future you would want someone to come rescue you...and the fun factor makes it all the better. Perhaps only a squadie would even bother to rescue you.

I still think there needs to be some sort of incentive. Perhaps a system message goes back to the pilot that shot you down stating that you were rescued - denying him his points, his kill, or something. Would that be enough to incent rescue missions? I'll admit, that is just too much to make it work! There has to be a way. How about offering a solution?

[B@tfinkV]

its along the same lines as the 2 or 1 kills awarded for killing a full rescue plane, IMO.

in the war you were awarded 1 kill for shooting down 1 plane, no matter the crew size.

likewise, if the pilot you shoot down gets rescued, you still destroyed his aircraft.

i love the idea of rescue missions, and have (along with a few others) suggested the idea in here before.