Author Topic: Christians and end times- Are they here? (Read 3476 times)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:57:31 AM »

Nobody worries about debt because they know that in the near future the oil supplies will be exhausted and that will be the end of modern life as we know it.

Our whole economy and way of life is directly based on cheap sources of energy. When that goes away so does our way of life. And some experts say this might be 20-30 years away unless a huge breakthrough in alternative energy sources happens.

Toad · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2006, 07:54:06 AM »

Whew... at least I've still got time to order a pizza!

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2006, 08:04:08 AM »

Yeah but you better hurry. I hear Chinese are getting hungry too.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2006, 08:09:49 AM »

Isn't solar and nuke power cheap power? Right now solar panels are 3% efficent... it takes a roof full to power a typical house...

Talked to an engineer the other day who has a friend who's panels are in the 80% efficiancy range using focuwsing mirrors.. think 2 4' x 8' panels to power a house. Think about $2,000 for the entire system and think about the whole system going on sale a lowes or home depot and then a year or two later and Sams club... Your energy bill to run your house would essentialy be zero..

sorry to ruin such a gloomy mood but... things are looking up not down.

lazs

Gunthr · « **Reply #34 on:** March 24, 2006, 08:31:45 AM »

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His basic idea was (let me see if I can get this right) that in the United States (and elsewhere), there is a growing belief that the end times are approaching, that armageddon (the biblical one, not the hamster one) is around the corner, and that this is both influencing our foreign affairs and our economy. - Choirboy

There are very credible reports that Ahmedinehajad in Iran fervently believes in an immenent apocolypse, and is actively seeking to expedite the event which he believes will bring the Messiah. It might be prudent for western democracies and Israel to base foreign policy on this fact.

As far as the author is concerned, I think he overlooks the Muslim influence in this country because they don't fit his apparent premise that Christian belief is the problem. Muslims believe in the end times too. In fact, all three major religions believe in the coming of the Messiah.

indy007 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2006, 08:33:31 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Isn't solar and nuke power cheap power? Right now solar panels are 3% efficent... it takes a roof full to power a typical house...

Talked to an engineer the other day who has a friend who's panels are in the 80% efficiancy range using focuwsing mirrors.. think 2 4' x 8' panels to power a house. Think about $2,000 for the entire system and think about the whole system going on sale a lowes or home depot and then a year or two later and Sams club... Your energy bill to run your house would essentialy be zero..

sorry to ruin such a gloomy mood but... things are looking up not down.

lazs

With a proper setup, a bank of batteries, and/or the optional windmills... you can easily generate enough power to sell the excess back to the power company. Your meter will literally spin backwards. On top of that, many states have subsudies available for people who want to install these systems. iirc, most systems pay for themselves within 5 years... and that's with using panels of normal effeciency.

For you boat guys, it's very similiar to a system you'd see on a live-aboard sailboat... just scaled up to fit a house.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 24, 2006, 08:44:18 AM »

solar systems are fairly common here... with the rebates they run about 10K or so... still too high but 2 people I work with have em.

most energy companies do not like to buy back power and ours around here don't.... what this means is that, for these guys... they have essentially a zero bill in the sunny months and a allmost normal one in the winter months. they average about a $50 per month bill... this is in large homes that normally would see 200-400 dollar a month bills.

The new panels are going to be here... they will be cheap and unobrtusive and probly not even roof mounted.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2006, 09:13:53 AM »

The solar power isn't going to keep a factory running too long. The batteries wear out, take a lot of space and cost like b***. Solar power isn't an option during winter. To put it simply, solar power is viable only in areas that have a pleasant climate and for uses which are not too power consuming.

Even then commuting and especially air travel will be extremely hard without oil. Many things in our (or our childrens) lives will change in a huge way.

Chairboy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2006, 10:02:15 AM »

My guess, within 5 years, we'll see buried kinetic batteries for sale instead of chemical batteries. You'll have a big flywheel underground with magnetic bearings, and your solar panels will be pumping power into accelerating the flywheel until night. At night, the electric motor turns into a generator. It's spinning at thousands of RPM by this point and lasts until morning, at which point the whole thing starts again.

No chemicals, no plates to get crusted and wear out, and I bet it would be more efficient than batteries. You bury it so that if there's a failure, the ground absorbs the explosion.

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2006, 02:40:03 PM »

ripley... it works here and it will get better.... you make cheap electricity and everything else will follow...

sorry to throw all that sunshine on your gloom.... you are welcome to ignore all the good news and go back to suicidal depression if you like. I have heard that it is common in countries that don't get a lot of sun for the citizens to get a little nutso by this time of the year.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2006, 06:13:59 AM »

Sorry to rain on your parade lazs but you can't produce megawatts of energy required to power a factory 24 hours per day using solar panels. You can't produce fertilizers for agriculture using solar panels. etc. etc.

If someone can power their refrigerator using solar panels problems are far from solved. But I do realize your area of perception is limited to the closest gun range and fridge full of beer.

tallyho1 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2006, 06:59:23 AM »

I'm quite worried that anyone with those views is allowed to advise a President!

This Christianity v Islam issue has been going on for a very long time and we Christians have been messing with their lives when it was quite fankly none of our business for far too long! Christians were sent there to kill muslims by the pope - the more they killed the more likely they would go to heaven! I think it very lucky we got beaten most of the time!

The middle east has one thing going for it and that is oil so any excuse about religion is just that! The whole issue is so hypocritical as guess who put Saddam there in the first place and sold him all the means to kill lots of people!

We are just seeing the start of what is going to be a long term problem, some countries just are not meant to be democratic as their tribal and religious beliefs are just too strong - they need someone very strong to keep them all together.

Yes there are alot of issues with this (namely that he is a genocidal maniac!) but alot more people are going to die now than ever under Saddam's rule - just wait and see!

bozon · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2006, 07:34:00 AM »

There were always those crazy idiots claiming that "the end is near". Armageddon already happened about 20 km from where I live 1939 years ago. Since then it happened many more times if you listen to the religeous extremist of each time in history. I predict it will happen several times more before the sun swells and kill us all.

By the way, the forces of darkness won the original battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

Bozon

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:24:58 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
There were always those crazy idiots claiming that "the end is near". Armageddon already happened about 20 km from where I live 1939 years ago. Since then it happened many more times if you listen to the religeous extremist of each time in history. I predict it will happen several times more before the sun swells and kill us all.

By the way, the forces of darkness won the original battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

Bozon

Absolutely right. Throughout history there has always been someone or a group who can find some religion or ancient civilization who predictws the end is near.

Gunthr · « **Reply #44 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:46:13 AM »

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There were always those crazy idiots claiming that "the end is near".

The end is always near for individuals.

And for the planet earth and the populations that live on it, I don't think we've ever been closer to monumental events, converging from several different directions, that can take us so far out of our comfort zone we may never see it again.

IE: not necessarily in order of importance - viral mutations, nuclear proliferation with cultural confict, and environmental attrition.

And don't forget, the Messiah may come and catch you with your pants down, so... REPENT