Author Topic: Sim or Game? (Read 2483 times)

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2006, 07:42:38 AM »

AcesHigh2 is a GAME that does a very good job of SIMULATING medium realism WW2 dogfighting.

Wilbus · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2006, 07:57:42 AM »

Yup, like I said before and Slapshot said too, doubtfull if you can tell wether you've been killed by 20mm or 303's.

Most people can't kill acks with US 50 cal as 50 cal (like other MG's) require direct hits, no blast effect.

20mm hit the gun as rarely as the 50 cal but the blast radius takes it down.

Docc · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2006, 08:42:40 AM »

Gentlemen.........if you don;t believe it, YOU try it. I've already been killed by it.

Edbert · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2006, 08:44:51 AM »

You can kill the acks with MGs, I've done it may times but it is 20 times more difficult or requires 20 times more ammo expenditure (same thing) than with HE rounds. The problem with MGs is dispersion, one of your bullets has to actually hit a man sized target. Not THAT hard if you are at or close to your convergence, but if you are converged at 300 yards and firing from 1.5K then your hosing the countryside with a small percentage chance of hitting the soft target. But diving steeply onto a ground target and getting within 500 yards before firing is quite a dangerous thing, so you end up taking a more horizontal shot which doesn't allow a long burst at convergence. Nobody is saying you cannot successfully strafe a ground gun with MGs, but the difficulty without HE is about right to me.

Things that COULD be added/changed to increase realism on this subject would be the ability to suppress a gun and camoflauge them. Not every air base had their ground guns out in the open in a small dot that resembles a bulleye visible from 2000 yards. Plus that little sandbagged emplacement would stop firing while that hail of dispersed .50s rained down around them whether they were killed or not they'd stop firing. Here in the MA the ground gun has its best chance of killing the aircraft WHILE on the attack run with the .50s raining down in the immediate vicinity.

Regarding the inability to zero in a gun (37/75/88) for a mile long follow up shot, that is how it should be IMHO. Recoil will cause the second shot to fall in a different location than the first. Shouldn't be as big of a deal at closer ranges but if you want to shoot 2-3 kilometers away and have a stream of shots falling in some laser line with one another then it is YOU who are the gamer.

toon · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2006, 09:01:06 AM »

i can kill ack with 50 cal. its not hard.i have been killed many times by ack. its not hard.i have killed many planes.its not not hard. i have been killed by many planes.its not hard.life before aces high two....HARD.*****,moan. play the game.get better.have fun.....I LIKE PEACHS WITH VANILLA ICE CREAM.

SlapShot · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2006, 09:28:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Docc
Gentlemen.........if you don;t believe it, YOU try it. I've already been killed by it.

I have tried it ... many times ... that is why I am calling BS on the .303s on a Spitfire.

Docc · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2006, 09:48:56 AM »

Well........there is a knight or rook spit out there in the MA who is very good at it. He comes in low and makes a curving pass firing a 1/2 sec burst as his guns bear. He is impossible to hit with the field gun and he never misses. I have watched him single-handedly take out all the acks on a medium field in 1 sortie.

You realism enthusiasts are way behind the ball on this one. Even the young gamers have figured out how easy it is to do. (See the above post) Easier than killing running troops.......you can miss with hundreds but all you have to do is hit it with a couple bullets.

Since you don;t believe me, go watch some of your countrymen do it.

SlapShot · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2006, 10:21:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Docc
Well........there is a knight or rook spit out there in the MA who is very good at it. He comes in low and makes a curving pass firing a 1/2 sec burst as his guns bear. He is impossible to hit with the field gun and he never misses. I have watched him single-handedly take out all the acks on a medium field in 1 sortie.

You realism enthusiasts are way behind the ball on this one. Even the young gamers have figured out how easy it is to do. (See the above post) Easier than killing running troops.......you can miss with hundreds but all you have to do is hit it with a couple bullets.

Since you don;t believe me, go watch some of your countrymen do it.

Docc ... I can easily do that too in a Spit ... with 20mm cannons ... it's not the .303s that's getting the job done ... it's the 20mm cannons.

A split second bursts with 20mm (2-5 rounds) in the general vacinity of a field gun and it's toast. Now with 240 20mm rounds ... deacking a medium field is a piece of cake ... with some rounds left over to do some vulching.

Docc · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2006, 10:59:31 AM »

Can be done with machine guns too.......see above post. And if your not too stingy with ammo you can kill them from 1000 or more out just by kicking the rudder a bit while firing to compensate for dispersion due to your convergence setting. I spend 60% of my time in the game each camp in field guns.....I've been killed all kinds of ways by every plane out there.......and I'm semi-retired so I'm on a lot. Ask the rooks......they are the experts in the game at it.

SlapShot · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2006, 11:55:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Docc
Can be done with machine guns too.......see above post. And if your not too stingy with ammo you can kill them from 1000 or more out just by kicking the rudder a bit while firing to compensate for dispersion due to your convergence setting. I spend 60% of my time in the game each camp in field guns.....I've been killed all kinds of ways by every plane out there.......and I'm semi-retired so I'm on a lot. Ask the rooks......they are the experts in the game at it.

UGH ... yes ... you are right ... but not in a Spit with just .303s.

Hap · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2006, 12:09:49 PM »

to all! Docc, good to see and read that you're still at it and i find your observations, comments, and conclusions "constructive."

i've not flown much over the past couple years . . . a month at a stretch from time to time.

say "howdy" for me.

hap

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's probably the result of a lack of a coherent and sane plan. /B]

made me laugh ack, glad i didn't have food or drink in mouth the library monitor would have been a mess.

Tumor · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2006, 12:24:22 PM »

If you want a SIM Docc, get FS9.... no really, it's great and you can do allot with it, and it's fun.

It's been hard to pretend AH is a sim for a very long time, and I know how frustrating it is. For every "sim" enthusiast, there's 100's of pile-it's who will do whatever it takes to get a kill. You've got your easy-mode hero's, horde warriors, one move wonders (HO lol)... you get the idea.

I dunno, I could be wrong, but I'd bet the higher percentage of HTC's income (by a wide margin) comes from those who are the polar-opposite of a flight-sim enthusiast.

When MA lunacy reaches it's peak... I log off do something else. HTC has made it's clear this is a game, so I don't see much of a reason to get irritated over it.

Tumor

Docc · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2006, 08:43:14 PM »

In any game equal opportunities for success or satisfaction for ALL players AT ANY GIVEN TIME is the key to any game..... whether it is a successful defence of a base or a successful capture.

A horde usually arises when 1 country has more numbers than the other 2, or is willing and able to weaken its defences on another front. Due to numbers fluctuations there is almost always the opportunity for a horde to exist in 1 of the 3 countries at any time.

And right now there is no defence against a horde, any horde from any country, when you are shot down by the first wave and your base is rendered unusable 10 seconds after the horde arrives. In the 5 minutes it takes to return to that base it has been captured.

Of course the underdog will become discouraged, and move on to a base where numbers are more equal or log off leaving the horde to continue its rampage. The longer the horde remains in existence the fewer options the underdog has. It is not conducive to the success of the game to allow these steamrolling hordes to exist for a lengthy period or its underdog players to become discouraged.

You want better fights, happier players, less whines? Give us better defensive tools so that the underdog players can break up these hordes or keep them occupied longer by allowing players to still take off from the base to defend the base's city: more acks, and longer range and more accurate acks, gvs that can hit moving targets, harder hangers, acks, ordinance.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #58 on:** March 29, 2006, 11:13:39 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I give this one a 2. Not a lot of caps, the headshake horse has already been beaten into a puree', and the rest of it is just ****ing retarded, to be blunt.

As long as the shake is there, the horse is still living. What is it with you BK's? You're all over the boards dumping on people. There's only one of you Burger Kingers worthy of any respect. Hey, I know. Get your buddy Morpheus in here. He loves to trash people.

Hug your dog, cuddle your wife, take a pill, get drunk or seek comfort in the arms of your local psychologist. Do something.

Your message of, "everything we like is great and everything else is for losers" is the oldest thing on these boards. Talk about beating dead horses. Ummm……to be blunt.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #59 on:** March 29, 2006, 11:17:20 PM »

A spits .303's isn't a good choice for deacking. Not even .50's do it really well. Cannons on the other hand….they do it really well.