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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »
The BAR is neat but I still like the M1. I have always wanted one ever since I saw them in that old TV show Combat. You know with Vic Morrow as the Sarge. It was such a neat rifle in the show that I had to get one. Now I have it and it is a real blast to shoot. It doesn't kick as hard as a bolt action 30-06 and shoots fairly accurately for a Korean war returnee with a dark pitted bore.

I've got an AR15 National Match that I have yet to shoot. I suppose I ought to get off my butt and take it out and see what it will do.

I've had a bunch of fun shooting various weapons in the Army from the M16, M3, M3A1, 45 pistol, Beretta 9MM, M2 50cal MG, M60 MG, the 30cal coax tank MG and a S&W revolver used by some Air Police that were on the range that day. The major weapons I got to use include a 90mm recoilless, a 105 Recoilless, 105 howitzer, 105mm Tank gun (LOTS), 4.2" mortar and the 50 cal cupola mounted MG on a tank. I have to admit they were all kinda fun to shoot. I really had fun with the two versions of the M3. The old grease gun is ugly, heavy for the size but a real blast to shoot. It does climb during firing but if you turn it sideways, it is fairly easy to control shooting from the hip.

The biggest kick of all the firing was knowing I didn't have to pay for the ammo for MG's!  

Wish I could do some more of it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2001, 08:46:00 PM »
Tac, I paid $900 for the SL8, but it was "used" my GF's uncle sold it to me so i got a good deal (I better have) but I don't really know what a new costs these days, ill see if I can find out, if nothing else I will ask him tomorrow.

Mav......I HATE YOU!.  You have had too much testosterone drenched fun for 1 person, everyone knows we are only allowed a certain ration and you have stuck your greedy hands in far too much....Ugghhh!  
<begins searching the internet for a good condition, used, reasonably priced bazooka because now he feels like somewhat less of a man>

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EDIT: Tac, the SRP of the SL8 is $1,599  i dunno actual cost, it may be more or less, hope that helps.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2001, 11:45:00 PM »
Wobble,

I have a very close friend who has a class3 license. I know you know what that is. He has 2 vaults like mine, 6'x4'x30", and they are BOTH full. We are going to get together and burn a BUNCH of ammo soon. Everything from 7.62 NATO down to 9mm.  

WOOHOO!!!

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2001, 12:01:00 AM »
Mav is the grease gun still in use?  My dad talks about those with great reverence, and they were old when he was using them (circa 1970).

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2001, 03:09:00 AM »
M3 "Grease Gun" hasn't been used since Vietnam. Some were fitted with suppressors and used in SOG (Studies and Observations Group). They haven't been used since, and the few weapons SOG had were of WW2 manufacture. They weren't highly liked either. The most common problem being the bolt jamming on the magazine lip. Stoppages were common, and several cases were reported of crushed rounds. The bolt would snap forward, but the round wouldn't be aligned properly; CRUNCH!.

FYI, a Springfield M1A (civilian version of the M14) runs for about $1,000 brand new. The sniper variant goes for just under $2,200. The SL-8 up here has to be ordered since there's no great demand for them. According to a local gun shop, they can order one for you at $1,520 a pop. This includes scope mounting bracket, three 5-round magazines (clear plastic), and cleaning kit. They offer a scope for it at an extra $390.


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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2001, 06:28:00 AM »
Dudes.

In close combat, nothing beats my 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun.

Except maybe a SPAS-12.

 

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2001, 07:37:00 AM »
 
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...FYI, a Springfield M1A (civilian version of the M14) runs for about $1,000 brand new. The sniper variant goes for just under $2,200...

I was at a gun show and the guy there was asking $2,500 for a M14 Springfield. I don't think it was a sniper version. Sounds like he was just trying to rip people off. That's what turned me off from buying a real Springfield. I would have forked out and extra $300 for the real thing but not an extra $1,500. I'm glad I didn't have the money to do it.   I bought my Norinco used at a gun store. I'm glad I didn't have the money to impulse buy at the gun show.  

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2001, 03:18:00 PM »
 
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Mav is the grease gun still in use?  My dad talks about those with great reverence, and they were old when he was using them (circa 1970).


Funked,

The grease gun is still in limited use. It was issued as a side arm for Armor crewmen. There aren't too many but the Guard Armor units still using the M60 version of tanks still have it in their TOE (Table of Organization and Equipment) I think the M1 crews are being issued the CAR 16 instead of the grease gun as that would eliminate the need for .45 ammo. Nothing else in the "normal" military inventory needs .45's. This is outside of the "special ops" folks who still may be using the old 45 as a special tactical weapon.

I never had a problem with the grease gun as far as jamming or mangling rounds. The problem cited by another person (can't recall who now darnit) sounds like a simple case of a bad magazine. That can happen with ANY magazine fed weapon of the lips of the mag are bent or damaged. Pulling on the magazine as a handle instead of the magazine well can also pull the magazine out of alignment with the receiver and interfere with feeding. You'll only hold the barrel during firing once. It heats up REAL fast and is only about 8" long.

The grease gun fires from an open bolt so the mechanism is extremely simple. The firing pin is actually a small protruding bump welded on the face of the bolt, like a bb. As the bolt goes forward the bump hits the primer and it goes bang.

There are two main variants of the gun. The M-3 and M3A1. The difference is the cocking handle on the M3A1. The M3 has a notch cut into the bolt that you place your finger into and pull the bolt back until it locks. It was very hard for a soldier to do with gloves and the lever solved that problem.

The cover over the ejection port was also the safety. With the cover closed a small welded on piece of steel protruded into the path of the bolt to stop it from traveling forward. Very simple but effective. The damn thing could go off if the seer was tripped and the cover was holding the bolt so it's a REAL good idea to pull the mag or make sure the weapon is pointing in a safe direction before opening the cover.

The M3 was designed (if you can call it a design) to be very simple and cheap. It is so cheap the rear sight is a small tab welded to the top with a hole drilled through it to look through.  Most had the hole off center too!   The front sight is a small piece of steel welded vertically to the top of the receiver behind where the barrel screws in. It was very reliable and fun to shoot. Shooting from the shoulder tended to turn it into an anti aircraft gun if you didn't watch it. The wire stock wasn't much of a cheek rest and only the first shot could really be called an aimed shot.

There was a quite noticeable delay from pulling the trigger and the actual slamming of the bolt forward. Since it was a straight blow back design the bolt is VERY heavy and the spring pressure on release really jolts the gun. It is for short range only. Anything past 30 to 50 yards is a spray and pray situation.

Rate of fire is not fast compared to a 9mm gun. Instead pf a BRAAAAAT, you get a chug chug chug kind of fire. I "think" it's about 200 rounds per minute. It's been a while since I was actively working with it.

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2001, 05:26:00 PM »
I think there are still new versions of the Sten gun being built and used in special forces type teams. That too is a WWII design buy the British. The MP 40 can still be found in some guerrilla forces in the world. It is a WWII German design. One of the finest sub-machine guns EVER made was the Suomi m/1931. It was a Finnish design and is still considered one of the best. The best US sub-machine gun of the war is rarely even heard of and it's the UD M'42. No one ever talks about it. I think it is amazing sometimes how much WWII equipment and design is still out there in use. The Israeli army still uses M3 half tracks. They might be in second line service now but I saw one on the news several months ago on patrol!

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2001, 12:54:00 AM »
UUgghh Im up in austin again and My GF beats me whenever I get on the AH board, so I wont be having my .5 second post response time for a few days  

Mav, whats it take to get a class 3 these days? last I heard You had to be ex-military, or in some cases ex-cop, I dont want one or anything, just curious.  I guy donw the road from my friends house in Inez has one and for the fist 3 monthe after he moved in he would go down to the creek bed (same one my pepper incident happened in) and shoot his M4 carb with telescoping stock I think) I dont know where he got it but he got the cops called on him a couple of times before everyone realized David Koresh(sp) didnt move in next door.  My gf's uncle (one I bought SL8 from) actually has a room in his house (bedroom) that he converted into a gun safe, it has a normal LOOKING door but its actually a reinforced steel door with the biggest hinges i have ever seen (6 of them) he has quite a few but many are really old collector's guns that would probably kill ya if ya tried to shoot them, but he also has some crazy modern stuff like a steyer, and this other crazy looking bullpup thing that i can never remember the name of, i think he has at least 50k worth the guns in there easy and even to me thats sounds a bit nuts, but hey its the kinda "nuts" I like (not trying to sound homo-erotic)

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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2001, 04:13:00 AM »
Yup Mav, I was issued a "greasegun" when I ended up in the Pa Guard after MP time(1990). Was kind of funny, and I kept wondering if I could borrow it for WW2 reenacting   Pretty sure they transitioned to M1's by now though.
I did find it more reliable than the Stens I played with.
Coolest thing I got to play with courtesy of Uncle Sam was prolly the Mk19, though I never got to shoot many live rounds   Now thats a gun for plinkin!

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »
Wobble,

I think the requirements for a class 3 are about the same as for being a dealer. Your best bet is to simply call up the BATF and ask. They can tell you pretty quickly. Just do it from a pay phone far away from your house and disguise your voice.  

If you get a class 3 I believe you have to register EVERY firearm and pay a transfer tax on all class 3 purchases, maybe sales too. I never was that interested in getting one so didn't check it out much.

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2001, 07:23:00 PM »
Class 3= 5000 round plinking session, no i dont think I want a class 3 either, I can see headlines.


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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2001, 10:41:00 PM »
Wobble,

Ya gotta start reloading bud! A reload can cost less than 1/3 of factory depending on the round. After all, if you use regular brass and not the blazer stuff you can generally reload it. I have some 22-250 brass that has been reloaded for over 20 years. I guess there are some of it that has at least 5 firings on it. I check for stretching etc. but if it checks out I keep using it.

Last time I checked some 9mm, 38, .357 or 45's all with plain lead bullets cost less than $6.00 a hundred. Of course that's with me doing the work on my own equipment at home. I can get about 100 loaded in less than 30 minutes on my progressive and weigh every 10th powder charge as a check.

Look into it. It's not hard to learn and saves BIG bucks for shooting. I can give you some recommendations on loading equipment and resources.

Mav
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2001, 11:00:00 PM »
Mav, Ive had pretty bad luck with reloading, my reloading machine aint that great though, the problem I have is with my Automatic pistols, it is that when using reloads i often get those "hot" and "cold" rounds, as in one shot is VERY powerful and then another doesent have enough pop to rack the slide back, i like using reloads in my revolver though.  i guess i just need to measure my grains better