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Offline HoHun

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2006, 12:13:47 PM »
Hi Hogenbor,

>Hohun, here is your 'Mosquito' :D

LOL! Thanks a lot, superb shots! :-) Excellent restoration and exposition, too, a long way from the dark and gloomy atmosphere I remember.

Interesting detail: The little bulldozer in the background. I believe bulldozers were sort of a new invention then and made their first appearance in the Normandy.

Weird detail: Is that a MILSTD Vespa in the foreground? 8-O

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2006, 12:20:46 PM »
The Bulldozer is cute.
They had such on Iwo Jima but they looked a wee bigger. Still very small compared to today's bulldozers.
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2006, 12:24:02 PM »
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Hi Hogenbor,

>Hohun, here is your 'Mosquito' :D

LOL! Thanks a lot, superb shots! :-) Excellent restoration and exposition, too, a long way from the dark and gloomy atmosphere I remember.

Interesting detail: The little bulldozer in the background. I believe bulldozers were sort of a new invention then and made their first appearance in the Normandy.

Weird detail: Is that a MILSTD Vespa in the foreground? 8-O

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


Don't know much about bulldozers, but there are more of them in the museum. I vaguely remember that they were considered one of the war winning weapons (but by whom? General Eisenhower maybe). Especially in the Pacific they could have been very useful to quickly create landing strips and such.

The little scooter is not a Vespa but a parascooter. Could be dropped by parachute and was intended to give paratroopers more mobility. Cute isn't it?
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2006, 01:05:48 PM »
Hi Hogenbor,

>The little scooter is not a Vespa but a parascooter. Could be dropped by parachute and was intended to give paratroopers more mobility. Cute isn't it?

Definitely! :-) And it actually makes good sense if the drop zone is some way from the objective (Market Garden).

The scooter-like look seems to indicate that the commonly accepted history of the scooter being invented in post-WW2 Italy is a bit incomplete :-) I'm sure the Italian scooter designers (who were former aviation engineers) were enthusiastic that suddenly, good-looking but underpowered designs sold well, but I'd say the Americans had the idea first :-)

(Of course, there's the Megola ... but no one would consider a heavy motor bike with a rotary engine in the front wheel a scooter just because of a scooterish seating arrangement :-)

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Henning (HoHun)
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2006, 02:03:31 PM »
I wish i had a scanner , i have a pic of my grandfather using a dozer to pull a 155mm howitser off of an Lst onto the beaches at guadalcanal . The pic says Dec. 1942.    Bulldozers had been around since the earily 1900's , i believe it was 1904-5 .
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2006, 02:25:40 PM »
Hi 38ruk,

>I wish i had a scanner , i have a pic of my grandfather using a dozer to pull a 155mm howitser off of an Lst onto the beaches at guadalcanal . The pic says Dec. 1942.    

Wow, I'd love to see that picture! :-)

>Bulldozers had been around since the earily 1900's , i believe it was 1904-5 .

Hm, reading the Wikipedia article (which appears a bit confused), I'd say that bulldozer blades had been used with various vehicles early on, but the dedicated, tracked bulldozer apparently emerged around 1940. I'm not quite sure what the critical addition was, maybe the hydraulic actuation of the blade.

Tracked tractors have been around much longer, of course!

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Henning (HoHun)
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 02:52:46 PM »
Henning, cables were used to adjust the blade height.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 05:35:10 PM »
38ruk:
" i have a pic of my grandfather using a dozer to pull a 155mm howitser off of an Lst onto the beaches at guadalcanal "

I was involved with pulling a 75 mm howitzer with a willis '43/44 jeep in soft black sand. The 155 will definately benefit from a dozer, for the willi's already had troubles on it's own in the black, soft sand ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 08:35:31 PM »
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38ruk:
" i have a pic of my grandfather using a dozer to pull a 155mm howitser off of an Lst onto the beaches at guadalcanal "

I was involved with pulling a 75 mm howitzer with a willis '43/44 jeep in soft black sand. The 155 will definately benefit from a dozer, for the willi's already had troubles on it's own in the black, soft sand ;)


So how close is the movie do being done? ;)
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2006, 04:17:58 AM »
It will be launched in August.
It is mostly done, and the second one (black sand - red sun) is quite far I belive. I think they will be launched at the same time.
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2006, 02:19:23 PM »
I'm going to try a get a shot of that picture  with my digital camera and see if i can get it to turn out .
 My grandfather passed last year , i miss the stories (even thou ive heard them for the last 25 years) they never got old   , He was one of those guys  that crammed about 150 years worth of living into 81.  He was a proud marine till the day he died .  He was 10 feet tall to me .   38
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2006, 07:13:01 PM »
Hogenbor,

The sides of that Sherman where yopu pointed out the the "bullet holes" are probably indeed just that.  I have a friend that has a Sherman, amongst other thing, and they shot the side of the darned thing (about 20 yrs ago) with a .50 with just standard api (which was the type used by most .50's by the end of the war).  Anyways, the holes look curiously the same!  

Why they did it?  Don't know, they used to party like wildmen back in the day, so I suspect they did just that at one of the partys.  Who knows.  Definitely not one of those acceptable things to do to history today, but then again, he did save it from the scrapper too...

Nice pics btw.
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2006, 10:52:42 AM »
Could be Bodhi, but the tank has more damage than just those holes, there are also areas with shell damage. So I blame the Germans ;)

Btw, I have put the best pics on my website, all 77 of them... quite different to my normal photographic adventures, concerts and a bit of portrait.

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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2006, 12:00:25 PM »
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Could be Bodhi, but the tank has more damage than just those holes, there are also areas with shell damage. So I blame the Germans ;)

Btw, I have put the best pics on my website, all 77 of them... quite different to my normal photographic adventures, concerts and a bit of portrait.



I am quite sure it probably is German shell fire and mg's that did it.  Just used my friends Sherman as an example is all.

Nice job on the pics btw!  Thanks.
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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2006, 07:00:20 AM »
IIRC, there is a British AP test in PRO docs which claims that a 20mm AP (Hisso) can penetrate Pz4(?) side but cannot really damage the external parts, tracks etc.

So a dedicated AP round prolly can make such shallow holes on armour and penetrates anything that is not thick enough.

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