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Offline hubsonfire

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2006, 12:41:59 PM »
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Schatzi, I built a scale model of a IIB once, and it made an interesting note. It commented that when bomb racks were attached, it meant 2 or 4 (I cannot remember which) of the guns could not be used, either because the rack was bolted onto the frame the gun used, or the rack blocked the ejector chutes. I don't know if the gun were removed or simply disarmed.

That makes it more complicated for HTC to model (lol). It means if you want bombs they have to be in the center ammo option, not a separate wings option. Still, it would be interesting.


I read somewhere that the Tardphoon couldn't fire it's guns with the rockets loaded in the racks; something along the lines of the weapons severing the wires that were used to fire the rockets. Whether due to muzzle flash, or the weapon cycling, or the ejecting brass, I can't say. I also can't say that it was accurate (me not knowing much about tardphoon weaponry), but I wonder if the hurricanes  would be susceptible to the same sorts of issues.

Anyway, the game doesn't model such issues, so it's kind of a moot point, but that just popped into my head, and I thought I'd see if anyone else had heard of this or could offer some more insight.

I don't suppose anyone ever loaded the 23mm cannons on a hurri? I'd pay good perks for that.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2006, 01:23:46 PM »
Over 3000 MkII's delivered to the VVS.

First batches were trop MKIIA's originally made for North Africa.

Latterly MKIIB's and C's were sent.

Many MkIIA's and B's often had their 303 brownings replaced for 7.62mm Shkas which had a rate of fire of 1800rpm (500 rpm faster than the then british browning) whilst saving 3kgs weight per gun.

In 42 the VVS converted all its(Active) Hurricanes to carry either 4 x 20mm Shvaks (still less uber than 2 x hispanos) or more commonly  2 x 20mm Shvaks and 2 x 12.7 mm Beresins. (twice the fire power of a Yak 9U)

In gun weight alone the latter sheds over 70kgs off the equivilent (MkIIC)4 x hispanos whilst being roughly 10kgs heavier than 12 x brownings.

The Beresin gave a RoF of 800 to 1000 compared to the M2's 600 to 800. Plus it could be maximised (unlike the Yak) as it did not fire thru the prop.

By 43 Hurris were removed from active service with the VVS but continued in service in the naval units in the Baltic and Crimea.

Krusty is right the model variation is only one of armament and wing weight plus its attack rockets and VVS GP bombs.

My point is that its a very simple extra variant to add all the bits are modelled already.

It could (my wish) be added as a MIIB variant with both the 2 x 20 + 2 x 12.7 and the original 12 x .303. Both could carry VVS skins.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2006, 02:27:13 PM »
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The thing is it's only a gun change. Sure I know there's differences between Hispanos and Shvaks, but you get the idea of what I meant.


So..? Pyro has said he would consider adding a Yak-9M, which is basically just replacing the NS-37 on the Yak-9T with a 2cm ShVak. This along with a Hurri II with 2 x 12.7mm UBS and 2cm ShVak would be a great idea.

A Hurri IIb with 12 x .303 cal would be a good idea as well...

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I read somewhere that the Tardphoon couldn't fire it's guns with the rockets loaded in the racks; something along the lines of the weapons severing the wires that were used to fire the rockets.


Sure it wasn't the P-47..? Ammo posted about this a long time ago...

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2006, 04:01:10 PM »
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So..? Pyro has said he would consider adding a Yak-9M, which is basically just replacing the NS-37 on the Yak-9T with a 2cm ShVak.



Wouldnt that be our yak-9u?

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2006, 04:26:04 PM »
no

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2006, 04:33:12 PM »
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no


Care to elaborate, or pollysylabic words too hard? ;)

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2006, 07:47:38 PM »
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Care to elaborate, or pollysylabic words too hard? ;)


The Yak-9U has a much better engine than the Yak-9T (or M).

Now, the Yak-9UT on the other hand.... sweet. That's my favorite.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2006, 09:59:35 PM »
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Sure it wasn't the P-47..? Ammo posted about this a long time ago...


Not at all sure.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2006, 12:44:23 AM »
Thats in a book by a 9th AF P-47 JaBo pilot.
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Good book.