Author Topic: Hurricane MkII (VVS) (Read 1725 times)

Tilt · « **on:** April 04, 2006, 05:49:04 PM »

2 x 20mm SHvak ?? rounds each.

2 x 12.6 mm B12 ??rounds each

6 x RS82 rockets

or 2 x 100kg bombs

all the ordinance is already modelled elsewhere and the MkIIC & D have the flight model albeit with different wing loadings.

would it be so difficult?

and we have a nice skin to go with it to!

Wmaker · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2006, 05:54:16 PM »

Yes please!

The regular IIB would be nice to see as well.

I hope we see these when Hurricanes get updated.

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2006, 06:10:09 PM »

It won't happen...

Why?

Because it's 99.999999999999999% identical to the Hurr2C we already have. All you're doing is swapping a pair of the 20mms for 50cals (you're basically taking what we have and making it weaker). Now if we got something like the IIB I could understand, but the IIC and the IIC-soviet-export-field-modified-version? There would be no reason to fly one over the other. It would be like having a P51C and a P51B, each with its own skins and its own name entry in the hangar list.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2006, 08:24:34 PM »

It would be a better plane for Ostfront setups than the ubergunned 2C, and hey, more hurricanes is always a good thing. The option for carrying rockets would be interesting; I'd like to see the MkIV added, for that reason alone.

Wmaker · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2006, 08:37:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
All you're doing is swapping a pair of the 20mms for 50cals (you're basically taking what we have and making it weaker).

Not true. Soviet 12.7 UBS is a different MG than US .50cal and 20mm ShVak is very different gun compared to the hispano. So it's not just about "swapping a pair of the 20mms for 50cals".

If you don't think we should have any "weaker" variants from any planes in the planeset why "could you understand" adding the IIB which obviously is weaker than the IIc. With your logic there should not have been La-5 in the first place.

From now on most planes that will get added will be more usable in scenarios/events/AvA than in the MA.

Krusty · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2006, 09:36:54 PM »

The thing is it's only a gun change. Sure I know there's differences between Hispanos and Shvaks, but you get the idea of what I meant.

I don't think we'll get a new plane that's identical in performance to another. However, perhaps if the request is for VVS armament on the existing IIC (second ammo option) that would be another thing. That might or might not be a wish granted by HTC.

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Originally posted by Wmaker
From now on most planes that will get added will be more usable in scenarios/events/AvA than in the MA.

Unless they get a head start on the NEXT CT campaign!!

Then they will tailor the craft to it. Here's hoping you're right

hubsonfire · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2006, 10:01:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
However, perhaps if the request is for VVS armament on the existing IIC (second ammo option) that would be another thing.

Now there's an interesting twist. Surely this would be significantly easier and still leaves the door open for my MkIV without the work.

nirvana · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2006, 12:31:52 AM »

I thought the Mk. IIB had 12 .303s in the wings:confused:

That being said, it would be just as fun as flying the Mk. I with a little less agility.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2006, 02:50:54 AM »

I believe that your belief is correct, Nirvana. I think the Russians did a lot of experimenting with armament, trying to strike a good compromise between effectiveness and availability. Anyway, all I know is, the hurri has had a wide variety of weapons attached to it, and I'd like to see all of them available in AH, either just for fun in the MA, or for substitutions in Spec Events, the AvA, and CT.

Schatzi · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:42:35 AM »

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Originally posted by USMCnav
Engine: 1,280hp Rolls-Royce Merlin XX 12-cylinder V piston engine
Weight: Empty 5,500 lbs., Max Takeoff 7,300 lbs.
Wing Span: 40ft. 0in.
Length: 32ft. 2.5in.
Height: 13ft. 1in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 22,000 ft: 342 mph
Cruising Speed at 20,000 ft: 296 mph
Ceiling: 36,500 ft
Range: 480 miles
Armament:
Twelve 7.7mm (0.303in.) wing-mounted machine guns
Two 250, 500-lb bombs, or 8 rockets

Same engine and airframe as the Hurri MKIIc. The differences are that it was considerably lighter, carried 12 -.303 mg's, and capable of carrying rockets or 1,000lbs of ord. 8,406 out of 14,231 hurricane's built were MKII's, not just MKIIc's, though the MKIIc out lasted other MKII's flying until mid-1942.

Is this a possibility?

http://www.warbirdalley.com/hurry.htm

Schatzi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:48:42 AM »

The first Hurricanes were lauchend from merchant ships with catapults to defend allied convoys. That was a one-way street for them, as the pilot had to ditch close to the convoy or bail, and hope to be rescued, i guess mainly because those ships didnt have a flight deck.

Later (in October 1941) the added hooks to the MkIB or MkIIA: Seahurricane MkIB, wich were able to launch (catapult) and land on small CVs (modified big merchant ships with a small flight deck).

The Seahurricane MkIC had the quad hispano mounted wings of our MkIIC.

The last british Seahurricane version was the MkIIC, which could be launched and land on conventional CVs.

So id either like a Seahurricane MkIB - 8x303s, or a Seahurricane MkIIC - 4x20mm (perked).

My favorite will always be the 303 armed ones though.

Peashooters RULE!

Furball · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:52:28 AM »

hooray for sea hurricanes.

or...

Fairey Firefly!!!!

It would be worth it just for those flaps!

Krusty · « **Reply #12 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:40:37 AM »

Schatzi, I built a scale model of a IIB once, and it made an interesting note. It commented that when bomb racks were attached, it meant 2 or 4 (I cannot remember which) of the guns could not be used, either because the rack was bolted onto the frame the gun used, or the rack blocked the ejector chutes. I don't know if the gun were removed or simply disarmed.

That makes it more complicated for HTC to model (lol). It means if you want bombs they have to be in the center ammo option, not a separate wings option. Still, it would be interesting.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:51:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Furball
hooray for sea hurricanes.

or...

Fairey Firefly!!!!

It would be worth it just for those flaps!

Looks like a bigger Tardphoon to me. I'll take more Hurri's over that pig.

Schatzi · « **Reply #14 on:** April 05, 2006, 12:05:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Schatzi, I built a scale model of a IIB once, and it made an interesting note. It commented that when bomb racks were attached, it meant 2 or 4 (I cannot remember which) of the guns could not be used, either because the rack was bolted onto the frame the gun used, or the rack blocked the ejector chutes. I don't know if the gun were removed or simply disarmed.

That makes it more complicated for HTC to model (lol). It means if you want bombs they have to be in the center ammo option, not a separate wings option. Still, it would be interesting.

Krusty, i want the MkIB, not the IIB

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Me not cares about bombs. Me not cares about big big or many many guns. Me wants a hook on the Mk1 we got and it available on CVs to bring more feeeeer to the red boys out there .....