Plan to stop the WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rino]

Not like it's ever gonna change..I mean why attack things that shoot back?

[TheCage]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
ya'll did notice this thread is over a year old right?

Yes it is, but the whines are just the same now as they were back then.   Nothing has changed other then splitting up the arenas.   Problems we had back then are still with us, otherwise the whining would have stopped.   Just make the best of what we do have, and enjoy your style of playing.   You may not like the next set of changes that could come about.   It may not be the best ever game anymore, but it's still better then what else that is out there online.   Like anything in life, it's what you make of it, fun or not fun playing.   You might want to thank the HTC crew once in a while instead of the never ending whining over and over about the same old stuff.  Besides HTC has already said they will not go back to the way it was.   A thousand small arenas, but never a single one ever again.  Now I am not trying to flame anyone, just pointing out that we are right back where we started a year ago.

[1Boner]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
When I first started here, and for a long time after, I used to go fly a buff out and take (or at least try to take) the hangers out at a field that was at one end of a "good fight".  It wasn't to piss anyone off.  I thought I was doing the right thing.  If the fight was stalled between two bases and through bombing the enemy base our country could move forward then I had, in my mind, positively influenced the direction of the fight.

Even now it's sometimes hard to distinguish between a furball and a stalemate when flying over at altitude.

For the most part, I doubt most bomber pilots are trying to piss you off (although some may be), rather I think they consider themselves contributing to the cause.

If the intent isn't to work toward capture of an enemy base then bombers should be eliminated from the game for fear that you're ruining some fighter dudes fun.

Even if the base is taken the furball will redevelop in another location.

well said!!

i can imagine flying for 30- minutes to bomb what i thought  to be an attempt at taking a base, then having a couple furball lovers start biotchin about ruining their fun.

but in reality my intention was to move forward, not ruin anyones fun.

when there is a crowd involved, not every one will be happy with the results.

live with it or shut up.

there are more people who say nothing and go on their merry way than there are people who come on here and cry about every little thing.

but hey , then it wouldn,t be the AHs BBs with out the whining.

would it?



Beer is good!!,

Boner

[blkmgc]

Once on a bombing mision to a large field (you know, where you actually climb to alt in formation, have escorts, plan and do it right) I was PM'd after we droped by a friendly and asked why we "grief". priceless:lol

field waffled one pass= mission accomplished
pissed off a squeaker= bonus

[Xargos]

Al Gore invented whining.

[NHawk]

Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War".

Until that changes, any base that's able to be taken is fair game. TT, FT or otherwise.

[DaddyAck]

I would have to agree, The point of the game is to win the war for your country.  Though the knights RARELY work twords that end, my squadron does.  We take back realestate as often as we can.  I feel that as long as a base is capturable it is fair game, despite the contradictory whines.  But as this thread is merely beating a dead horse so to speak I will hush for now.

[falcon23]

I will have to agree witht he earlier statements made by bomber pilots..

 If I am seeing a base which has been fighting with my side for 10-15 min.I am thinking "HEY,maybe they just need a nice big fat lance to come over and take down some hangars"..SO up I go,usually about 4-5 sectors out..30-40 min of flying..and get over there to bomb,and after I have taken down some evil empire hangar:p ,I find everyone suddenly leaves,not all the time,but enough recently it can get just as frustrating for me as it may for others who do the same.

 Was I trying to ruin the "fun"? no..But I am merely trying to win the war..That is #1 in my mind when I am online,as well as to have fun.I used to bomb TT when I first joined,until I found out that even my own side was getting upset with me,so I have adjusted my "attitude controller" and do not point that way,although it does get tempting at times. But I cannot say I will NEVER work on taking TT.

 As far as enemy cv's.,I will do all within my power to take them down..They are a very hazardous MACHINE to have around  bases,and I make no apologies..

 I do more support missions than TAKING bases missions,but am learning that I may have to upgrade my thinking as well as strategy,and start adding in some goons and town killers..

                                             Peace and Plenty,
                                                     Kevin

[WMLute]

Originally posted by NHawk
Every game has an objective. Many seem to have either forgotten or don't know/care that in AH the objective has always been to "Win the War".

Until that changes, any base that's able to be taken is fair game. TT, FT or otherwise.

Wrong.

Originally posted by DaddyAck
I would have to agree, The point of the game is to win the war for your country.

Also wrong.

HT has stated that the object of the game is aerial combat.  Capturing territory is just a means to help faciliate that goal.  But make no mistake, the main thrust of the game is aerial combat.

If you think the "point" of Aces High II is to "capure bases" and "win the war" then you are 100% wrong.

Taking bases and winning the war is but a mere sideshows to  the aerial combat.  The POINT of the game is to fight.  It saddens me how many people have lost sight of that.  

Back in my AirWarrior days I only spent MAYBE 20% of the time trying to capture fields (if that).  It was ALL about the fighting.  Now it seems almost the opposite, and that's too bad.

In AcesHigh, and I really hate to say this, fighting doesn't seem to be that important to people.  They are intent on "winning the war" and the vast majority of them couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.  I really feel bad for 'em too 'cause they are missing out on what makes Aces High so special.  Taking off and haveing a white knuckle fight with 3-5 opponents, limping your shot up plane back to base and landing those kills.  Gawd that is the best.

So to all those "win the war! GOT TO WIN THE WAR!!!!!" types, you have my deepest sympathies.  I guess hoarding and capturing fields IS easier than learning how to fight, but you are missing out on what is REALLY fun about this game, and that is aerial combat.

[Carwash]

The fact that someone plays the game differently from you does not make them a dweeb, noob, lamer, porker or gamer.  I fly fighters almost exclusively.  I tend to cherry pick.  Sometimes employing different strategies to take others by suprise.  Some don't like this style of fight.  Sorry, that is not going to stop me.  

I think it is the variety of tactics (or lack thereof) that makes the game interesting and gives it it's richness.  It holds player's attention for years.  Not many computer games can say that.  

I have had some complaints.   Warping and discos to name them.  But I'm not going to complain about someones style of playing.  If you want a high score, go pork some bases, go set up a vulch fest, go do whatever it is you want to do.  I'll keep playing my way and having fun.

[NHawk]

Originally posted by WMLute
....HT has stated that the object of the game is aerial combat.  Capturing territory is just a means to help faciliate that goal.  But make no mistake, the main thrust of the game is aerial combat.

If you think the "point" of Aces High II is to "capure bases" and "win the war" then you are 100% wrong.

Taking bases and winning the war is but a mere sideshows to  the aerial combat.  The POINT of the game is to fight.  It saddens me how many people have lost sight of that......

Yes, the whole point of the game is to fight, but if the whole point was aerial combat there would be no need for a capture system or a "reward" for winning the war.

Short and sweet...

You are flying in aerial combat to defend your country or in offense against another country. Fail in your mission and your country will be over run and you will lose the war.

If you can debate that, have at it but I stand by my original statement.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by NHawk
Yes, the whole point of the game is to fight, but if the whole point was aerial combat there would be no need for a capture system or a "reward" for winning the war.

Short and sweet...

You are flying in aerial combat to defend your country or in offense against another country. Fail in your mission and your country will be over run and you will lose the war.

If you can debate that, have at it but I stand by my original statement.

Uhhh... no need to debate.  The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.

You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.

Lose the war?  Arena resets, new map, go at it again.  The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat.  You don't really "win" anything.

As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.

[Stang]

Originally posted by WMLute
Uhhh... no need to debate.  The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.

You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.

Lose the war?  Arena resets, new map, go at it again.  The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat.  You don't really "win" anything.

As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.

Yup.  Good post Lute.

[ink]

lute, i so agree, although ive never heard it said that HT says its about the Aeriel combat.
 but since ive been flying 4 years now, its always been about the dogfight or great 1vs 1,     but i also know that for some, carpet bombing a base is the shiznits for them.    it does piss me off if someone drops hangers and stops a good  furball, but not realy, cuz somewhere else there is another one just gotta look at the map and find it. if not just fly towards the biggest red darr you can find. its always target rich in those areas:D

[NHawk]

Originally posted by WMLute
Uhhh... no need to debate.  The game creator has already explained what the point is of the game that he made.

You can TRY to argue with HiTech on what that purpose really is, but i'm fairly sure the outcome would be fairly obvious.

Lose the war?  Arena resets, new map, go at it again.  The war is just to facillitate the aerial combat.  You don't really "win" anything.

As has been said many times in the past, winning the war is merely a sideshow to the aerial combat.

Lute, you're missing the point that I agree aerial combat IS the point of the game.

But that "side show" that is mentioned gives a REASON for the aerial combat. That reason is to prevent your country from losing a base, damage to factories or losing the war.

Don't look at the small picture. I'm certain HT didn't and that's why there is a "war". IF there were no capturing bases, losing wars, etc there would be no need for the aerial combat and we'd all be flying IL2.

It's the excitement factor, defending/attacking a base/country gives excitement and reason for the combat.