Integrity of Japanese planes

[Kev367th]

No point modelling the two of them.

The only difference with the 4 bladed prop was that it reduced the take off run.

This is the Air Ministries statement not mine -

"3. The only important difference in performance between the Typhoon with the four bladed propeller and the Tempest tail plane, and the old type with the three bladed propeller is that the four bladed propeller had improved take-off by reduction of some 150-200ft."

That is why I consider our Tiffy a 1942 one, can hardly use a reduction in take off run to justify late 1943.
In fact does ours even have a Tempest tailplane, or is it another frankenstein like the old Spit 9?

Unless of course HT starts modelling structural failures common to the specific aircraft type.

[straffo]

I remember reading about 109F loosing their tail .. I've yet to see a post asking for it to be modelled

[Bruno]

That is why I consider our Tiffy a 1942 one, can hardly use a reduction in take off run to justify late 1943.
In fact does ours even have a Tempest tailplane, or is it another frankenstein like the old Spit 9?

The AH Typhoon performs well above a '42 Typhoon...

In fact its top speed of around 410mph matches up well with a Typh 4-bladed prop @ 13lbs boost.

A '42 Typh would max at 7lbs and 390 or so mph at FTH. The AH2 typh is faster then that at mil power.





See this thread:

Typhoon speed performance

[straffo]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Frankly, I think AH2 should model two Typhs separately - the early Typhoons of '41~'43, and the late Typhoons after that, and slap a perk on the latter.

Ok if we perk the 109 starting with the G2 , the 190 Starting from the A5 ,the 51 ... ooops ... it won't happen

[Krusty]

I've always thought the Typh wasn't high enough on the ENY ranks, because of its speed and firepower.

Regarding accounts of the Typh tail: I also have a book with a first-hand account of Typhoons diving in on some enemy, and getting 2 enemy but losing 3 typhoons because they lost their tails in the dive, to GET to the enemy. (First hand from one of the survivors).

I wouldn't mind seeing the Typhoon be the early model. As it is most folks use it as a poor-man's-tempest, and just run, HO, extend, repeat. (most, not all).

Straffo: Only the prototype test 109Fs had problems with the tail. They fixed this by putting stiffener plates (this may not be the actual term) around the tail joint, and the problem went away.

[Kev367th]

Yup, but by the time the 4 bladed prop was fitted, they had elimated the shedding tails problem.

Oh sure, make it an early model give the RAF even LESS choice for late war rides.

3rd largest planeset in the game, least represented in 1944 -
Spit XVI
Spit XIV (perked)

None from 1945.

Wonder how you'd feel if it was suggested the LW and US had the same, or that the D9 and K4 should be perked to limit your late war choices also.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Wonder how you'd feel if it was suggested the LW and US had the same, or that the D9 and K4 should be perked to limit your late war choices also.

So, um, where do Japanese and Italian afficianados fit into this complaint?

- oldman

[Saxman]

My MAIN complaint was less the wing ripping, and more the fact that everything I've ever read has the 84's controls (not just rudder, but elevator and aileron as well) going to total mush, if not locking ENTIRELY, at 450. So yeah, it's a bit aggravating when flying a plane that maneuvers well at high airspeeds and the Ki is not only GAINING ground in a steep dive, but is following every black-out inducing High-G maneuver I try. I was never disputing she was a good design on par with the best the Allies had (I hate facing Ki-84s for LEGITIMATE reasons, too) but that control responsiveness over the thing at extremely high airspeeds seemed off.

[HoHun]

Hi Saxman,

>control responsiveness over the thing at extremely high airspeeds seemed off.

Hm, I admit that I haven't seen much historical evidence on the flight characteristics of the Ki-84. What does it have to say on the Ki-84's high-speed handling?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Kev367th]

Not long after it was introduced me and Rod367th ran into a 20k Ki84.
Rod in a Temp, me in a Spit 14.

Outdove both of us to the deck, and pulled out at the bottom, I had to throttle back the Spit 14 was shaking all over.

[Squire]

The bulk of the players in the MA know next to nothing about WW2 planes, and many will b*** and moan abuout "BS this or that" every time they get killed.

Dufus didnt think a Ki-84 could dive fast? whats new. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Saxman]

Dive fast one thing, maintain control responsiveness while travelling at Ludicrous Speed is another.

[Kweassa]

Wonder how you'd feel if it was suggested the LW and US had the same, or that the D9 and K4 should be perked to limit your late war choices also.

 I'd feel pretty good, since I also think the La-7, P-51D, P-47D-40, Fw190D-9, Bf109K-4, and a lot more gaggle of high performance late war fighters should be perked... and along with it the '44 standard Typhoon.

[joeblogs]

It is true that the Japanese had a very hard time getting 1,500+ HP engines into mass production. They had a number of later designs built around these larger engines, but they did not get very many of them built.

Part of the problem was a lack of experience--designers in the US had built many hundreds of these before the war started. Another problem was metalurgy. The higher powered engines required lots of metals that were in short supply in Japan during the war.

-blogs

Originally posted by Kweassa
I remember an argument I had with some of the fellow Rooks a few days back. Obviously, someone was pretty displeased of how a Ki-84 followed him on a 450mph dive.
... 7. The reason the Japanese planes were slow and maneuverable, was not because the Japanese liked it that way - but simply becase; a) the level of engine development relatively lacked behind its European allies, b) the war effort was staggering behind. Quality problems and short supplies led to numerous failures and troubles, noticeably with the engines, and many of the planes were hardly achieving their optimal performance which the design might allow.

 

[indy007]

Originally posted by Krusty
Why does a P38 lock up and need to be trimmed out of a dive?

Compression effects on that huge wing pretty much wiped out any elevator authority. Electric dive brake kits were enroute to Europe to combat the problem, but the transport was sunk (iirc, in a friendly fire incident). The upgrade kits never made it


to the original thread, the Ki-84 (as we have it modeled) is freakin' amazing (with combat trim *off*) Any other planes that have a WEP timer that cools faster than it heats?