AT&T forwarding internet traffic to NSA?

[BluKitty]

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?"

Only issue is, like Swiss accounts, people can make use of it for truely bad things.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Mighty1
No they are not the same.

When you walk down the street you are in public therfor you have no right to privacy. The internet is the same it's just virtual. Phone calls are from one person to another therefor NOT public. Your camera in the house comment is just retarded.

What about Skype, it works over the internet AND you can also make calls to conventional phones. What about e-mail, equal to letters and often contains confidential information. Every day millions of dollars exchanges owner over the internet. et cetera et cetera, hundreds of confidential and non public ways to utilize internet.

Are you saying all those should be equal to public? That would be the same as the death of internet.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Chairboy

I ask again WHY some of you are so complacent about these threats to our constitutional rights?

You state "some of you" in your post as being complacent. From that I take it that you are not  satisfied with it and are  fighting this. Is that correct? If so, what are you doing about it?

[Vulcan]

Sorry Chairboy I'm gonna have to give you 10/10 for lame threads on this one.

Anyone on the net can look at your traffic anyway. Hello people... heard of packet sniffing? Head of Snort? Theres a ton of commercially available apps out there as well as freeware and warez.

If you're concerned about what you do on the net then encrypt. Once again to do this theres a ton of commercially available apps out there as well as freeware and warez.

About 99% of people on this BBS don't use secure email, and don't even think twice about whether they use an encrypted web page or not.

[Rolex]

The function and charter of the NSA is to gather foreign intelligence of foreign threats to US national security. You want to spy domestically, the FBI is the agency with that jurisdiction with specific warrant requirements requiring probable cause.

That is the system because that is the basis of US law - limited powers with checks to prevent abuse.

Wholesale driftnet collection of domestic communications of citizens can be easily abused by the unscrupulous for political and monetary gain and innocent citizens can have their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness destroyed by mischaracterization, unintended conclusions, parody and interpretation mistakes.

The proof of that is blatantly obvious. Iraq possession of WMD capable of delivery in 45 minutes was an unequivocable fact according to the intelligence people.

It isn't the 'government' that you should be worried about. It's 'people.'

[wrag]

Originally posted by Yeager
The Patriot Act makes it alright for them to go into your home, without your knowledge, take something, NEVER tell you they took it, AND if you call the police reporting a burglery YOU can be ARRESTED for interfearing with a federal investigation! Don't matter that you've done nothing wrong! The way the law reads IT DON"T MATTER WHY YOU ARE BEING INVESTIGATED.
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So Im supposed to think that you are being investigated for no good reason?

Or perhaps you accidently googled goat pron and are fearful of being rubbergloved in the back of some government van?

I still dont get the fear factor you have but I will be more aware of my surroundings for sure.....

Never said you would.  But if someone you TALK with at some point in your everyday existance IS, then you could find yourself included through NO effort, NO activity, of your own.

Why would these Gov Agencies do this?  They HAVE to be make sure.

Not a FEAR factor!  The issue is NOT about FEAR.  It's about your RIGHTS!

Whenever anyone says if you have nothing to fear, if you're doing no wrong, etc.,  then it's OK.......... THEN is when your RIGHTS are being bypassed!  This approach makes you GUILTY if you say NO.  So if you assert your RIGHTS you are GUILTY?  I don't think so!

They way it WAS they HAD to have some form of evidence, some form of proof before they could even think of investigating anyone.  NOW????

Now if you were to say things that the founders of this nation said you could be classed as a terrorist and investigated.

[Debonair]

[Nash]

Y'all think that the taps only consist of US-International calls?

How many times do you need to be lied to before you wake the eff up?

[Shamus]

Well it does seem that all the "we are only going after US-international calls" is another in a long line of lies.

Of couse it is a Washington Post reporter, so it must be a lie.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3777315.html

shamus

[dmf]

I trust what the govt tells me about as far as I can throw my car, I se cameras everywhere, and if you think they only tap international calls, keep thinking that.   (as they keep listening on the phone, watching on the internet, and takeing your picture for a criminal comparrison at the red light)

[FUNKED1]

http://www.lp.org

[Debonair]

looked at your political partie's web site.
national convention this summer is where i live.
we have more that too much dope smoking know-it-alls here already.

[Chairboy]

The NSA now says that they won't rule out warrantless domestic wiretaps.

During a hearing before the House Judiciary Committee today, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-CA) questioned Attorney General Alberto Gonzales about the NSA's secret domestic wiretapping program. The Administration has cited the Authorization to Use Military Force and the commander in chief powers as authorizing the NSA to intercept international communications into and out of the U.S. of persons linked to al Qaeda or related terrorist organizations.

After citing his concerns that there was no limiting principle to the Administration's claim of authority in the War on Terror, Rep. Schiff asked the Attorney General whether the Administration believes it has the authority to wiretap purely domestic calls between two Americans without seeking a warrant. "I cannot rule that out," responded the Attorney General.

"This is very disturbing testimony," Rep. Schiff commented later, "and represents a wholly unprecedented assertion of executive power. No one in Congress would deny the need to tap certain calls under court order -- but if the Administration believes it can tap purely domestic phone calls between Americans without court approval, there is no limit to executive power. This is contrary to settled law and the most basic constitutional principles of the separation of powers."

From:
here

EDIT: Fixed wacked out link, vBulletin is flipping out with some of my URLs for some reason.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Debonair
looked at your political partie's web site.
national convention this summer is where i live.
we have more that too much dope smoking know-it-alls here already.

I'm sure the semiliterate neanderthals more than cancel them out.

[john9001]

nash's phone is taped