Painting on glass

[airbumba]

Hey Folks.

Any art folks out there ever dabble in painting on glass animation? I've just spent 3 hours reading and searching, and searching and reading, and I still haven't found a ' how to' or informative enough site to help me give this a try. Even a decent book to purchase seems hard to find.

If anyone has done this beforte and could help, please let me know.

Actually, I'll explain, maybe you've got a better solution.  I want to make a video using guncam footage, videotape and some form of animation. I would like animation with the look and feel of that painting on glass animation.

 Maybe one of you folk have an alternative to this style, and maybe a little easier, since that stuff looks labourious. I am trying to stay away from straight forward computer animation, but will take any advice given.

Thanks in advance for any and all help. .

[ramzey]

use photoshop and after effects, you can get whatever effect  you like
also corel painter  let you paint on your screen same style as regular painting on the glass, fabric (and whatever)

[Tarmac]

what's painting on glass animation?  have any examples?

[ramzey]

i belive, he mean painting on celuloid film aka classic animation

[Saintaw]

what I know from it involves painting your glass frame, take a photo of it... paint next frame, take photo... the end poduct looks very nice if well done, but it seems extreeeeeeemely slooowwwwwwwwwww...

[Goomba]

I always understood the paint-on-glass technique to be used for providing foreground and background in live-action shots that could not be filmed on location.

Example...shooting a scene of 4 people emerging from a cave mouth to look over an enormous, miles long valley full of prehistoric trees.

Ya' can't shoot on location, since no such place exists, and those trees are extinct, and it's too costly to build hundreds of fakes.

So you shoot the actors at the cave mouth, on loc or on set, then the background artist blocks out the motion area, and paints all the rest of the scene on glass.  When optically layered, you have the shot you wanted.

I've not heard of the technique used for actual, frame-by-frame animation, personally.

[Gh0stFT]

like ramzey said, use Photoshop filters, play around with filters & fx
until it looks ok for you. Real painting on glas would be only worth if
you want touch & feel and see the real sunlights working and mainly
not to see your real art through a 19" glas in RGB ;)

[airbumba]

Yeh, Ramzey and Ghost, you guys are right. It seems most folks nowadays use various filters from different programs and animate the frames with another program. It sure looks a lot easier. I better brush up on them programs.

Saw is correct. Painting on glass animation, is a frame by frame animation , using paint on glass, doing a single frame then taking a picture, modifying it, or painting a new one, then taking another pic. Loooooonnnnng.

Tarmac, here's the best example, and the one that first caught my eye. It's a short made here in Montreal that won an oscar, and even Imax shows it, it's really cool. But 29,000 frames!!!! Too much for me, hehe.

Old man and the sea:

http://www.awn.com/oscars00/oldman.php3


Goomba, that type off glass painting is called 'matte' something or other. You're right that's how they used it. It is used a lot in early Disney stuff, and if I remember correctly, they used that for the burning scene in 'Gone With The Wind'. They Reflected fire offa a matte painting of the mansion on glass, filmed that, then filmed over it with the characters, pretty impressive for that long ago, without computers.

I'm amazed at what I seen just in the last two days, what is capable on our home PC's. With all the prgrams and the effects they can produce, I've given this machine a whole new respect, and can't wait to try out some stuff.

Here's an example of a normal dude playing aroune with both a 'matte' painting and various effects available  to the public, cool stuff.

Plane explosion:

http://zed.cbc.ca/go?POS=85&~tabbedContent~tab=Information&CONTENT_ID=168029&c=contentPage&FILTER_KEY=211


Thanks for the replies, gotta go learn programs now, hehe. .

[john9001]

just use construction paper cut outs like South Park, works for them.