Gay Marriage thread

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Originally posted by Elfie
I have already stated that no one can define the sexes in the way that you want them defined.

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 big·ot (bĭg'ət) pronunciation
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I think it's an apt discription.

[Debonair]

lolololol "back seat boogie boyz" lolololol

[Elfie]

The fact that you qualify homosexuality as a perversion has no value: there are no laws punishing this sexual practice.

Some states do still have laws on the books that make sodomy (among other things) illegal.

Male and Female are just words..... They cannot be defined... The U.K., for instance, tried to do it with genetics for awhile(XX/XY), then it was proven that this doesn't work ethier.

Then why did you demand they be defined in a genetic way? I said it couldnt be defined genetically, now you say it cant be defined genetically.

A biological definition would be as simple as: male has a noodle, testicles and apple between his legs and a female has a vagina between her legs, ovaries and uterus inside of her. Definitions of male/female may or may not ever be able to be defined genetically, but they will always be able to be defined biologically.

big·ot (bĭg'ət) pronunciation

Bigot? Hardly. I have argued my postition and done my best to remain respectful to other posters. I have answered questions put forth to me as honestly as I am able. At no point have I stooped to things such as

Funny what puts fear into mutant freak rednecks.

Chairboy and Vudak I thank you for your intelligent, insult-free debate. Since this thread is degenerating into a childish, insult hurling debacle I'm out of here

[lazs2]

deselys...  maybe I am not reading what you write properly...  It does seem tho that you are saying that.... "Ok... I just want gays to be able to marry and then... that's it except that maybe... we can allow incest and then maybe... but.... no... I just think gays are getting a raw deal because I like their cause and they are human and...it is a human right and maybe we can just stop the slippery slope slide after we let the gays in?"

I don't really know what you are saying.  the gays human rights are in no way violated.... least not any more than incestuous people or caring loving pedophiles or those pesky bigamists...  they can all get married under the current rules.

I did note your point on the aids issue and you may have a point... maybe they will be careful in their extramarital affairs but... they will have more extramarital affairs than straights and they will have em with a riskier group and they will be every bit as dishonest about it as any other human... that seems to be a recipe for disaster.   Protection?   is their any such thing?  rubbers weren't made for anal sex... they fail.


my point remains... they marginalize normal marriage just like incest or pedophiles or polygamists... do... I still see no problem with allowing them to have their own form of marriage.

How do you feel about polygamy BTW?  Are you not concerned about these peoples human rights like you are about gays and.... I suppose... you are about those who want to marry incestuously?

lazs

[Curval]

Originally posted by lazs2
I still see no problem with allowing them to have their own form of marriage.

Your idea is actually quite an interesting one lazs.

What exactly would it be though?  I'm sure we could come up with another name for it....but isn't that all it is...a name change from marriage to "XXXX"?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Vudak
Yanno, if you could just type out explanations like these without getting into your superiority rants (see a few posts above for a few prime examples of your "class"), people might actually take you seriously.
 

I claim no superiority over anyone. I also accept none from anyone. I like the your 'class" statement. You can either take me seriously or not. I`m not trying to make friends and influence people.
If my views make some mad, which they obviously do. Tough. They are my honest views.
If someone finds my terminology for gays such as pansies, back seat boogie boyz, etc. etc. offensive.....so what? Guess what?  I find the term gay offensive. I view it as a charade and a name invented to cover up what it actualy is....pervert/perversion. I find the whole gay fiasco not only offensive, but disgusting and a mark on humanity in general . IMHO the gall to even think about asking "special" laws to legalize anything to do with this load of horse crap totaly ridiculous and cannot see how a straight male could ever seriously support/promote such a load of horse biscuits and still look hisself in the mirror.
My views/your views. You don`t like mine, I don`t like yours. Big deal. I certainly won`t loose any sleep over it.

Now, if you could actually read our posts without just thinking of ways to make "us" look stupid, you might realize just about all of your questions have already been answered.

Yea.....so far I have been called ignorant, ignoramus and a bigot. You can bet my main concern is making some here look stupid. I don`t believe any help in that area is needed. Someone gets all huffed up because my views are different than theirs and I tell them how disgusting I find it ans state my views, and refuse to bend on the subject or will not sell out so they go on some childish text tantrum.......and you think that`s going to impress me and make me believe they are of superior intelligence or some crap. I find it hilarious. One sell out getting huffy because everyone won`t sell out. Forgetaboutit. Not going to happen.
I call a spade a spade. If some can`t handle the truth that`s their problem. I don`t really care.
Gays, gay lifestyles and actions are totaly disgusting to me and many others. That`s just the way it is and will stay. No matter what kind of whitewash you throw on it and how many roses you pile on it to control the stench, it`s still see through and it still stinks to high heaven.

[Vudak]

I don't think anyone's getting huffy about about your not changing your views.  Moreso at the way you go about speaking of them.  Say half that stuff in any good-sized workplaces and kiss your butt good bye.

Just things called common curtesy & respect Jackal.  You don't have to agree with everyone else's opinion but you also don't have to go off on a little superiority (I will use that word, see some of your little "gays sind untermenschen" comments above) complex.

No one's asking you to be over the top PC here.  "Gay" or even "Queer" would do just fine.  

Anyway, I kinda like this OT forum.  Think I'll be tipping my hat and heading out the door now.

Edit - before I leave, Elfie, and others, right back at you.  

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Elfie

Then why did you demand they be defined in a genetic way? I said it couldnt be defined genetically, now you say it cant be defined genetically.

A biological definition would be as simple as: male has a noodle, testicles and apple between his legs and a female has a vagina between her legs, ovaries and uterus inside of her. Definitions of male/female may or may not ever be able to be defined genetically, but they will always be able to be defined biologically.

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Bigot? Hardly. I have argued my postition and done my best to remain respectful to other posters.

Because some of you need an education, and I tend to like the socratic meathod.

And, no - Biology is not always clear cut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_deficiency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Eugenides

There's just one example.

The definition of Bigot wasn't for you, it was for Jackal.  You have been respectful-Even if you are unable to admit your sophist fallacies.

[Curval]

"You can bet my main concern is making some here look stupid."

LOL!

What you don't realise that your comments here have only served to make you look stupid.

You think that anyone who opposes you in this argument shouldn't even be able to look themselves in the mirror.  You accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a liberal pansy who totally condone and supports a gay lifestyle.  To you all of this represents being "on topic" in this thread.

"On topic" for you is calling gays perverts, mutants, freaks and non-humans that shouldn't even have the right to live on the planet.

You question me about my support of this issue, hinting that maybe I have gay tendancies etc.

Then, when I give you an honest answer you point-blank refuse to even check out why I feel strongly about the issue because...it is off topic.

Oh yes...you've done a great job of showing how stupid everyone else is.  

[Holden McGroin]

"I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and that you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts."

[mora]

Originally posted by lazs2
I still see no problem with allowing them to have their own form of marriage.

What would you mean by that?

The way it works here is that gays can get a civil "wedding" and their "marriage" is called a "registered relationship" and they get the same rights as the straight married couples. I's a good solution IMO. The church can decide themselves if they want to marry them or not, and they don't. Even then it would be called a "registered relationship"

AFAIK even the gays are satisfied with that. Would you and others be willing to accept it?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Curval
"You can bet my main concern is making some here look stupid."

LOL!

That went over your head I see. I`ll hang the tag on it next time for the challenged.

You accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a liberal pansy who totally condone and supports a gay lifestyle.

So......you are now trying to say that you do not condone and support the gay lifestyle? Is that it? If it is you are sure going about it in the wrong way because so far you have been a candidate for the poster child of gay lifestyle. You do. you don`t, you do, you don`t. Corky Romano perhaps?

You question me about my support of this issue, hinting that maybe I have gay tendancies etc.

Then, when I give you an honest answer you point-blank refuse to even check out why I feel strongly about the issue because...it is off topic.

Once again.....I am not interested in the least about your gay "family friend". Deal with it.

Oh yes...you've done a great job of showing how stupid everyone else is.

"Everyone" does not enter the picture. Don`t try to hide behind someone else when you swing your purse please.

I`ll lay it out simple for you one more time. I am against any"special" laws being passed for gay marriage or anything else so totaly ridiculous or anything that laws that support/promote something so totaly disgusting and sickening. Lke I said earlier, you can whitewash it and cover it in roses. The stench still comes through like a steaming pile of horse crap. Ridiculous and pathetic.
If you are expecting me to use terminology that shows respect for something I hold in great disdain and find disgusting................... well......you have a long wait.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Vudak
Say half that stuff in any good-sized workplaces and kiss your butt good bye.
 

Well.....different locations, different ways I suppose. Around here if the gay support issue was promoted and discussed in any location, as it is being done by some here, I think "kiss your butt goodbye" would be an understatement. At any rate, not all of us play the "meat for the grinder" routine.

No one's asking you to be over the top PC here.  "Gay" or even "Queer" would do just fine.

So that`s what`s PC huh? Forgetaboutit. I`ll call a spade a spade, thank you.

Just things called common curtesy & respect Jackal.

I hold no respect for perverts/perversion. None will be given.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Jackal1
That went over your head I see. I`ll hang the tag on it next time for the challenged.

Yes please.  I doubt you will though...just like in the past when you make clanging geography mistakes and then when it is pointed out you turn around and say "I knew that, I was just being sarcastic".  RRRiiiight.

So......you are now trying to say that you do not condone and support the gay lifestyle? Is that it? If it is you are sure going about it in the wrong way because so far you have been a candidate for the poster child of gay lifestyle. You do. you don`t, you do, you don`t. Corky Romano perhaps?

If by not referring to gays as non-humans, or by thinking they aren't freaks mutants and perverts who do in fact deserve to live on ths planet this means I totally condone and support the gay lifestyle, then fine.  By your definition I suppose I do.
 
Once again.....I am not interested in the least about your gay "family friend". Deal with it.

Yes, I realise that you bury your head in the sand and refuse to admit that some gay people have done more for humanity that many straight people.  That would make them human.  This is unacceptable to you, so you act like a child, stick your fingers in your ears and say "Lalalalalalaa I can't hear you."  I hope one day you need help from a gay person and they find out your views and refuse to help you.  That would be poetic justice.

"Everyone" does not enter the picture. Don`t try to hide behind someone else when you swing your purse please.

So, it's ME you are trying to look stupid?  But I thought you were being sarcastic?  Or are you being sarcastic again?

I`ll lay it out simple for you one more time. I am against any"special" laws being passed for gay marriage or anything else so totaly ridiculous or anything that laws that support/promote something so totaly disgusting and sickening. Lke I said earlier, you can whitewash it and cover it in roses. The stench still comes through like a steaming pile of horse crap. Ridiculous and pathetic.
If you are expecting me to use terminology that shows respect for something I hold in great disdain and find disgusting................... well......you have a long wait.

You are a lost cause...I can see that.  Again, it is my sincere hope that some event happens in your life which forces you to accept that gay people are not just disgusting non-humans.  I hope your views turn around and bite you on the rear end...so to speak.  Fact is, it is more than likely that a gay person, doctor, dentist, lawyer, whatever, have already helped you out and you never knew it.  Unfortunately they probably didn't know your views.

[lazs2]

curval... I had something in mind like that finland idea of "regestered relationship"  I don't see how they could have all the same rights as normal marriage tho.   each right needs to be addressed.

I wonder how the gays who were "regestered relationships" would feel about letting in the pedophiles and incest groups and polygamists?

There should be only one inherant right in a "regestered relationship" that of community property... any relationship where both parties are working together should have community property based on what they gain as a couple...

lazs