Gay Marriage thread

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Curval

A very close family friend, who just past away (from natural causes), was gay

This  story starts off very familiar.

He wrote numerous books and helped thousands of children.

There was a gentleman in the news pretty heavily the last portion of 2005. He wrote childrens books. He was on death row and executed in December. Tookie.
Nice little story, but just that.

To an ignoramus like you he was just a studmuffin though.

We can pretty well just skip the rest of the drivel in your posts and go with this.
Coming from you, I will take that as a compliment.
I certainly wouldn`t wish to be on the same plane as you.
From your starting comments to Lazs concerning the cool guys driving by in their nifty rides looking down upon a working man as something inferior to yourself and your "click". Pretty well says it all. Do you also have indepth conversations belittling the farmer while you stuff your face with food?
Yups and Libs.......gotta luv em.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Jackal1
 Yea, I read it.....and it didn`t answer the question. As a matter of fact it pretty well sums up the asking of the question. Poor little twinkle toes are a minority. You betcha sweet bippy they are a minority in society. So are pedophiles and mass murderers also. You feel sorry for them based on that fact too?
They choose to live a life that disgraces themselves. They will get no sympathy from me. More importantly , they will get no "friendship". That is what raises the question that has yet to be answered.

I don't feel sorry for mass murderers whatsoever.  Pedophiles, well, I feel sorry that they're missing out on the full grown thing, but other than that, nope, don't feel sorry for them either.  

You don't see anything ironic in your question given your reasoning for why interracial marriage doesn't have any similarity/or can't be an argument to/for the current struggle?

If I'm still not answering your question, yer gonna have to rephrase, "explain it to me like I'm a four year old" (I doubt you'll recognise that quote )

Ditto on Africa

[Elfie]

yeah, ditto on Africa

[Elfie]

You don't see anything ironic in your question given your reasoning for why interracial marriage doesn't have any similarity/or can't be an argument to/for the current struggle?

I can see how others could see the irony in that.

Interracial marriages didnt change the basic definition of marriage in either the secular or religious views. (Which is, 1 man, 1 woman) Thats why I think interracial marriages being allowed/banned cant be an arguement here. (Just in case I wasnt clear on that before. )

[straffo]

Originally posted by Elfie
I can see how others could see the irony in that.

Interracial marriages didnt change the basic definition of marriage in either the secular or religious views. (Which is, 1 man, 1 woman) Thats why I think interracial marriages being allowed/banned cant be an arguement here. (Just in case I wasnt clear on that before. )

Nope, you reject it becasue it doesn't match your view , no logic involved.
btw who is this guy called god you're speaking about ?
I never heard of him.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by straffo
Nope, you reject it becasue it doesn't match your view , no logic involved.
btw who is this guy called god you're speaking about ?
I never heard of him.

I reject that arguement for the reason I stated, not simply because it doesnt match my views

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Vudak
 Pedophiles, well, I feel sorry that they're missing out on the full grown thing, but other than that, nope, don't feel sorry for them either.  
 

So..........you do.......but you don`t. That clears it up.

You don't see anything ironic in your question given your reasoning for why interracial marriage doesn't have any similarity/or can't be an argument to/for the current struggle?

"The current struggle"............... ...........Wheeew buddy! Now that is rich. LMAO
Gay is not a race. It is irrelevant. The race card cannot be played here.
Maybe , with that kind of logic, gays would be better off to first try to get a "special" law passed declaring them a "special" race.

If I'm still not answering your question, yer gonna have to rephrase,

Oh I believe you get the question. You just don`t know how to answer it. Either way, forget it. You pretty well told me what I wanted to know with the "gay friends" comments.
Spend your time dealing with the "current struggle". I have to go put my 17 inchers back on . It`s getting pretty deep in here.

LITHEN!
Brucie says...Join the current stwuggle. We can spank the big bruisers.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Jackal1

"The current struggle"............... ...........Wheeew buddy! Now that is rich. LMAO

Gay is not a race. It is irrelevant. The race card cannot be played here.
Maybe , with that kind of logic, gays would be better off to first try to get a "special" law passed declaring them a "special" race.

What'd you prefer we call it?  Er... wait nah you better not elaborate

And no, gay is not a race, and no one is saying that.  The comparison is being made to the... ah, how many pages in?  How many times has it been said?  You still claim not to get it?  Ok I'm jumping outta the livewell.

But don't worry Jackal, a few years from now once I've earned my classroom, I'll fill your kids/grandkids/nephews/whatever in on those books like "Night," "Maus," etc...  I take it they aren't in your personal library

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Vudak
What'd you prefer we call it?  

We? Are ou taking leadership in the "current struggle" revolution.

And no, gay is not a race, and no one is saying that.  The comparison is being made to the... ah, how many pages in?  How many times has it been said?  You still claim not to get it?

Oh I "get it" just fine. You seem to be struggling with it....or at least would like for it to be believed as such. Simple......gay is not a race. Race card can`t be played no matter how much you and your revolutionists in the "current struggle" would like for it to be so. Put a Rolls front end on a bug, it`s still a bug. Does not pertain in any form or fashion. Does not compute. Incorrect data. Cuttie say it don`t hang.  Homie don`t play that.

 

But don't worry Jackal, a few years from now once I've earned my classroom, I'll fill your kids/grandkids/nephews/whatever

And that`s where you would be wrong in assuming that. Have fun in the public school circus though trying to teach your own agenda.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Jackal1

And that`s where you would be wrong in assuming that. Have fun in the public school circus though trying to teach your own agenda.

Who said I'm settling for high school?  

If you do have those books in your library, I'd suggest rereading them.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Vudak
Who said I'm settling for high school?  
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And who mentioned high school?
It`s been fun and all, but it`s getting late and I have to go reread a few chapters in The Antarchist Bible. I don`t remember seeing an antidote for pansy gas. I want to be prepared for when the Pastel Warriors Of The Current Struggle attack.

Puuuuuuuulllleeeeeeze.

[Thud]

Originally posted by Seagoon
In fact, if gay marriage is legalized, it is very possible that churches that refuse to marry persons of the same sex will have their civil authority stripped so that a marriage performed by an evangelical pastor would not be considered legally binding.

There you go, another reason to allow gay marriage...

[deSelys]

Elfie...

You know Lazs, if civil gay marriage become a reality, you won't be forced to go to gay weddings, wipe a tear, get drunk and dance on country music all night long... So where's YOUR problem?

and

Jackal1, has a civil wedding the same value to you than a church weeding?

You can check the edit timestamps if you don't believe me.

Apples and apples? Not at all:

...sigh, once again:

Perverts? Yes...to your eyes mostly as homosexuality isn't forbidden by law as child molestation is. Btw, gay marriage is between two consenting adults. The molested child is not consenting (even if he says that he is, his young age voids this affirmation) and is a victim.

The fact that you qualify homosexuality as a perversion has no value: there are no laws punishing this sexual practice.

Seagoon,

First of all, thanks for your post. I've quickly browsed your essay (I'll admit that a lot of references fly way above my head) and I have a general remark:
I find it a bit strange that, while you're claiming that god has said that 'he hates divorce', you're feeling that you have to make a study about what kind of divorces are acceptable religiously just because, in our society, divorce has become very frequent. OTOH, you're staying 'hardcore' on your position about same-sex marriage. This looks a bit like adopting a double standard under social pressure.

About the marriage procedure in Belgium: you have to be civilly married (by the 'mayor' or one of his/her officers) before you may go to the church to be married according to your religion. This is the same procedure for the 5 recognized religions in Belgium. The only exception is if one or both of the couple wishing to marry is at risk to die imminently (disease, accident...), a priest, rabbin,... may perform the marriage ritual immediately. This is defined in a law.

If gay marriage becomes a reality, I'll join Chairboy and the others by defending the right to religions to refuse to perform gay marriages. I'm as much a partisan of the church kept out of the state as of the state kept out of churches (providing the general human rights are respected). Both situations are equally dangerous.


Lazs,

I don't follow your logic that, as gays have more promiscuous behaviours than heterosexuals, they'll be more at risk to contract STDs if gay marriage is allowed. I really don't see how the marriage will INCREASE the risks. At the very worst, it won't diminish it and at best (if both partners stop fooling around), it will cancel it. Not a win-win situation but at least a stalemate-win.

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by Elfie

I have already stated that no one can define the sexes in the way that you want them defined. It just isnt possible because even the world's leading scientists havent broken the DNA code for humans (or any other species for that matter) completely. In fact, that work is still in it's beginning stages with the majority of our DNA code still being unknown.

As far as what the Bible has to say on the sexes:

Gen 1:27  And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.
 

Oh ya that's soooOOOOoo clear.

Thanks for makeing my point while being unable to accept it.

Male and Female are just words..... They cannot be defined... The U.K., for instance, tried to do it with genetics for awhile(XX/XY), then it was proven that this doesn't work ethier.

Words are generalized tools used to communitcate, nothing more, nothing less.   You guys should avoid any field that relies on logical thinking.

So you say betweeen a "Man" and a "Woman" , while you can't even define ethier.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Jackal1
This  story starts off very familiar.

 

There was a gentleman in the news pretty heavily the last portion of 2005. He wrote childrens books. He was on death row and executed in December. Tookie.
Nice little story, but just that.

Do a google search on a man named Dr. Vincent J. Fontana.

Then take your sarcasm and your ignorance and please put them where the sun doesn't shine.

Don't compare a great man and a great human being with some crimminal who was executed on death row.  This again shows just how ignorant you can be Jackal.

We can pretty well just skip the rest of the drivel in your posts and go with this.
Coming from you, I will take that as a compliment.
I certainly wouldn`t wish to be on the same plane as you.
From your starting comments to Lazs concerning the cool guys driving by in their nifty rides looking down upon a working man as something inferior to yourself and your "click". Pretty well says it all. Do you also have indepth conversations belittling the farmer while you stuff your face with food?
Yups and Libs.......gotta luv em.

Yes, stick your head in the sand and dismiss anything you don't agree with by using a petty snapping match I was having with lazs.  Very ninja-like.  

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