Hanoi Jane movie

[lasersailor184]

Just so you guys know, when the revolution happens (not if) Hanoi Jane will be the first up against the wall.  You can guess who else will follow her.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
And how would you know?
You ever been a POW?
As a matter of fact have you ever served your country ?

She is a POS that should choke on a horses dork for all I care skank HO!

Well I was never a sniper, but if you took the time to read the quote I posted you would see that it was indeed from a POW.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes he is. in Fact. Nash is the one the LUMBERJACK SONG

was written about

...and he's okay.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Stringer
Was it an officially declared war?

I don't believe it ever was.  AFAIK, it was a police action.  Kind of hard to be a traitor when the nation is not officially at war.

Can't play it both ways IMO.

Betrayal has nothing to do with "an officially declared war".

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Sandman
...and he's okay.

Yes he is.
 But you can tell when he has his corset laced up a bit too tight

[Timofei]

[Hangtime]

Oh, now there's some NVA propoganda that brings back pleasant memories. Damn.. chicks in hip hugging bellbottoms sayin 'oh, yes!' to boys with long hair that said 'Hell, No; we won't go!!', rasta spliffs, le bong... yep. Peace, love dope.. being anti-war was fsahionable.. and it gotcha stoned and laid!

Think I go find my woodstock LP and run the Country Joe & The Fish cut.

Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
Yeah, he's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well, there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Yeah, come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well, there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well, there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Have yah spit on any returning troops yet, Timmy?

Do yah like Gladiator movies, Timmy?

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Well I was never a sniper, but if you took the time to read the quote I posted you would see that it was indeed from a POW.

I read the quote Mccain has turned into a Kennedy lap dog liberal so I tend to ignore his butt these days.

And wtf is this sniper crap? are you another one of those idiots that see's this mythical Mr Black around every corner?
Get help.

[midnight Target]

gotcha fartwinkle.

So only the "right thinking" POW's never forgave her.  

Yep. She lost the war for us all by herself.

[Hangtime]

Midnight... I know yer brain functions at levels I can't achieve. So please.. tell me.. in your opinion; who really deserved to be spit upon when they returned from Vietnam.. me or Jane?

[Nash]

This might open a whole entire can of worms that probably should remain shut, just out of decency (or oldness)... but... nobody can seem to find any actual documented incidents of spitting on the Vets. Or in the few cases where it has been documented, it has always turned out to be inconclusive or outright fabrication.

For such a widespread and accepted phenomena, you would think it would be much, much easier to pin down specific examples of its occurring.

For example, the first link on Google gives me this:

Jerry Lembcke - Stories about spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It's hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where ''people were lined up to spit on us."

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military air bases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge."

I mean, you even heard about people running up to returning vets in airports and throwing jars of urine at them.

Lets be honest, if scores of tree hugging hippies started spitting on scores of battle hardened Vietnam vets, you would hear scores of stories about scores of airport murders.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not so stupid as to believe that there wasn't extreme and misplaced anger. And it probably happened. And it'd be horrible. Were it true.

But.... it's lore now, whether it happened or not.... or whether it happened even close to the extent that we tend to now accept.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that you weren't spit on, Hang. Likewise, I have a hard time thinking that the subject of whether you or Jane deserved getting spit on more helps this debate out any.

But, lol, it's far from my place to note someone's emotional tie to a subject. You were there, and I'm just.... emotional to begin with.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Midnight... I know yer brain functions at levels I can't achieve. So please.. tell me.. in your opinion; who really deserved to be spit upon when they returned from Vietnam.. me or Jane?

Oh come on Hang. I honor your service and anyone else who put their bellybutton on the line. Vietnam was undoubtedly a ****ty place to be, and I missed out on that little party by exactly 1 month. Believe me I was ecstatic when the draft was suspended one month before my 18th b-day.

This isn't a black and white issue though. I can honor your service and still see the utter foolishness in hanging onto the hatred of some Hollywood bimbo for 40 years. Lots of people contributed to the fiasco that the VN war turned out to be. Our soldiers are not counted among them.

I took issue with fartwinkle’s contention that all POW's still hated Fonda. They don't. I never said I loved her or even her politics, but that doesn't change the facts.

[DiabloTX]

Nash, I'll submit anecdotal evidence.

When I was active duty in the Navy ('86 -'90) I was talking to a first class petty officer about that time at the end of the Vietnam war.  He had just come back stateside as an E3 (this was about '72-'73) and told me he had experienced getting spit on at LAX first hand.  He told me about it because in the Age Of Reagan he was very happy to see the uniform get slaps of "atta boy!" rather than getting spit on.  I remember well when he told me about getting spit on personally and how much that episode stayed with him.

 Yes, I know it's not personal and anecdotal, and it's just one person.  But I fail to understand why you think it was not as big a deal as it was.  Even if only one person, or just a handful, were spit on, that's still too many.  Urban legend or not, the disrespect for these people in uniform was all to apparent no matter what the revisionalists want to say otherwise.

[Nash]

There's a ton of "anectodal evidence,"  DiabloTX.  That's without dispute. And I ain't calling him a liar.

But you gotta wonder.... with it being such a conceded fact of history - not in specific cases, but as a widespread and commonly accepted phenomenon - why it wasn't witnessed by a third party to the extent that common sense tells you it must.

[DiabloTX]

Let me ask you this, do you honestly, given the time period, think that events like that would be shown in the media, print or otherwise?  I would tend to believe the people that said it happened.  This isn't some mysterious scientific event.  This isn't global warming.  This isn't WMD's.  It's respect.  Why would they lie about something so trivial to anyone else but them?

 Not saying YOU are calling them liars but obviously there are other people out there that think they are lying.