Author Topic: The great raid.. (Read 1246 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2006, 08:43:51 AM »

the most annoying thing about the movie was that a brit played the American CO. of the pow's his accent was not that bad but bad enough.

Maybe that is the "acting" you are talking about? I am not expert on acting but I felt that all the actors did a pretty decent job except the brit guy and the colonel of the rescuers.

I did not fight the japs but knowing what they did makes me not trust them as a race. I have the feeling that given half a chance they would act exactly the same as they did in WWII. I think every army in WWII is essentialy the same now as it was in WWII.

I do not think that the people in those armies are much different than their modern counterparts.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #16 on:** April 12, 2006, 09:59:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Debonair
Lindberg says he saw some nasty stuff happening in the SWPAC & it wasn't the japanese doing it...but he was flying combat missions there in violation of the geneva conventions....

Lindberg was not on any piece of terrain occupied by the Japanese; ever. If he saw 'nasty stuff', and given that Japanese POW's were not held on american army air bases, what; pray tell is it that he could have 'seen'?

Should also be noted that lindberg was in theatre as a civilian contractor.. his presence in combat was forbidden by Roosevelt since he resigined his commision as an anti-war protestor. Lindberg had pro-nazi inclinations, but had no compunctions with regards to ambushing a Japanese plane and hosing it out of the sky.

Kinda a selective 'anti-war' kinda guy it would seem.

Mini D · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2006, 10:56:55 AM »

I drove my grandfather down to palm springs one year for his annual migration. I stayed the night before flying back up and had dinner with him and his brother. I was amazed at how much of the conversation was consumed by hatred for the Japanese. Grandpa was in the mobile artillery in Europe and never went to Japan. I don't know that his brother was in the military at all. I just know you'd swear both of them were on the hill at Iwo.

The only people I've met that hate the Japanese more is virtually every non-japanese person from Asia that I've met.

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2006, 02:26:46 PM »

we can be comforted by the fact that they have very low opinions of us too.

lazs

cav58d · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2006, 02:30:44 PM »

Col. Mucci grew up the town over from me....Part of the highway is named to honor him...yayy

Mustaine · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2006, 02:31:01 PM »

jap chicks are hot

Hangtime · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2006, 03:12:21 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
we can be comforted by the fact that they have very low opinions of us too.

lazs

so do a lotta of our WWII vets. Gramps just looked at me the other night after watching the news... then said: 'Can't say I much like what your generation has done with the place.'

I said: [english accent] 'Wot???.... the curtains??'[/english accent]

Urchin · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2006, 03:19:39 PM »

Yea, the Japanese had a pretty brutal culture.

Surrender meant you no longer deserved to be treated with dignity. I can't decide if that means they value human life more or less than we do...

But yea, the Pacific was a nasty place. We thought of the Japanese as being sub-human, and they thought the same thing of us.

The Eastern Front was much the same, the Germans and the Russians went all out at eachother. Russian POWs probably died at a pretty horrific rate in German hands, and I've no doubt that German POWs suffered at the hands of the Russians a lot worse than if they had surrendered to Americans or British.

Debonair · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2006, 04:48:01 PM »

It's probably more of a surprise that the westfront was comaratively civil.
anyone have a good idea why.
Because the sides were old chums from WWI?
Because the war started with a massive prisoner exchange?
Geneva conventions?
Nobody could bring themselves to get that upset over France?

Urchin · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2006, 06:08:36 PM »

If I had to guess I'd say a mutual appreciation of the sameness. Germans and British both saw their opponent as "civilised Europeans". I imagine that the Germans had a similar opinion of us, although I've read on multiple occasions they were leery of blacks. The Nazi's had filled the Germans up with so much propoganda about the Soviets / Slavic people that they just despised them.

In some parts of the USSR, the Germans were actually welcomed as liberators until the SS went into their "kill the .. well, everyone" routine.

Pei · « **Reply #25 on:** April 12, 2006, 08:02:52 PM »

My Grandfather was in the Royal Marines and was involved in the prisoner rescue operations in South East Asia at the end of the war. He would never talk about the details but he went to his grave with a bitter hatred of the Japanese.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #26 on:** April 12, 2006, 08:14:06 PM »

MY Grandfather passed away in March of 1998. He was in the 6th Marine Division and hated the Japanese with a passion. If we went to a Chinese Restaurant, he'd order a Burger or steak in protest.

His hatred was also equally as vile when FDR was mentioned. He never forgave FDR for splitting up the Marines (3 Div's in the ETO, and 3 in the PTO). I still crack up thinking about the "Gentleman I can one day onbly hope to be", but man he would get enraged. I mentioned Teddy Roosevelt, and he started up, but realized what I said, and apologized, LMFAO.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 12, 2006, 08:50:13 PM »

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. He never forgave FDR for splitting up the Marines (3 Div's in the ETO, and 3 in the PTO).

I could be wrong, but I am fairly sure that no Marine division saw any action in Europe during WW2. The closest the Marines came was Iceland and that I think was a regiment.

In fact I think I read a quote some where that said that Marshal outright said "no Marine would fight in europe in WW2 if he had anything to say about it". Or something close to that.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #28 on:** April 12, 2006, 09:26:56 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I could be wrong, but I am fairly sure that no Marine division saw any action in Europe during WW2. The closest the Marines came was Iceland and that I think was a regiment.

In fact I think I read a quote some where that said that Marshal outright said "no Marine would fight in europe in WW2 if he had anything to say about it". Or something close to that.

Upon further research, Marines indeed fought in North Africa and Europe. My "grandpa exaggerated" then, however, he always said "Splitting them up, only prolonged the PTO."

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 12, 2006, 09:43:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Upon further research, Marines indeed fought in North Africa and Europe. My "grandpa exaggerated" then, however, he always said "Splitting them up, only prolonged the PTO."

Interesting, what are your sources I would love to read about it.

Out of curiosity I picked up my copy of :

The U.S. Marine Corps Story

By J.Robert Moskin

The only thing I can find so far on Marines in Europe is on page 124 saying
"The Bitterness simmered for a generation among many of the Army's highest leaders and even helped to keep the Marine Corp out of Europe in World War 2"

My Guidebook for Marines only mentions the Pacific in its history of WW2 as well.