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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2006, 06:23:32 PM »
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eagl,

Suppose an F-15 does win one:  How would that shake down?  Could the raptor miss with one missile and the F-15 kill it with guns visually?


Before they get close enough the F15 has to first "see" it's target.  Then they have to burn a truck load of fuel  to catch it.  Then they have to try and manuver into a fire position.  That's alot of ifs.

And FWIW the 22 DOES have a gun and it can carry external hardpoints while losing alot of stealthyness/manuverability.
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2006, 06:37:55 PM »
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And why not?  F22 has optinal wing hardpoints that should be able to take anything in the arsenal.


F-22 can go to higher altitudes than the F-15
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2006, 08:28:30 PM »
The F-22 is the modern-day P-38.  It's a great airplane that's too expensive for its own good.  We'll never build enough F-22's to satisfy our overall needs, and we'll end up building something else to make up the difference.




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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2006, 08:36:01 PM »
...like the JSF.
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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2006, 09:40:10 PM »
The F-35 JSF is going to be to the F-22 what the Virginia Class submarine is to the Seawolf.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2006, 10:39:35 PM »
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Stealth: Greatly increases survivability and lethality by denying the enemy critical information required to successfully attack the F-22


F-22 is superior to any fighter technology wise:aok
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« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2006, 11:16:54 PM »
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F-22 is superior to any fighter technology wise:aok


Price wise also :) .

BUT - Its instantaneous turn rate is inferior to the Typhoon.
F-22 has better sustained turn, this may change when the Typhoon gets thrust vectoring later on.

Shaking F15's seems to be becoming common.
This happened when a Typhoon trainer was 'bounced'.


IT might be over budget and years late but the Eurofighter Typhoon has shown that it can shake off America's best fighter plane and shoot it down.

A chance encounter over the Lake District between a Eurofighter trainer and two F-15 aircraft turned into a mock dogfight, with the British plane coming off best - much to the surprise of some in the RAF. The episode was hushed up for fear of causing US blushes.

For a project 10 years late and $8bn over budget, it is a welcome piece of good news.

The 'clash' took place last year over Windermere when the two-seater RAF Eurofighter was 'bounced' from behind by the two F-15E fighters.

The US pilots intended to pursue the supposedly hapless 'Limey' for several miles and lock their radars on to it for long enough so that if it had been a real dogfight the British jet would have been shot down.

But much to the Americans' surprise, the Eurofighter shook them off, outmanoeuvred them and moved into shooting positions on their tails.

The British pilots themselves were almost as surprised at winning an encounter with an aircraft widely regarded as the best fighter in the world.
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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2006, 05:02:18 PM »
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Price wise also :) .

BUT - Its instantaneous turn rate is inferior to the Typhoon.
F-22 has better sustained turn, this may change when the Typhoon gets thrust vectoring later on.

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Hopefully if Tranche 3 goes ahead it might finally get seen in another 10 years, later than scheduled.
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2006, 06:47:19 PM »
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IT might be over budget and years late but the Eurofighter Typhoon has shown that it can shake off America's best fighter plane and shoot it down.

A chance encounter over the Lake District between a Eurofighter trainer and two F-15 aircraft turned into a mock dogfight, with the British plane coming off best - much to the surprise of some in the RAF. The episode was hushed up for fear of causing US blushes.

For a project 10 years late and $8bn over budget, it is a welcome piece of good news.

The 'clash' took place last year over Windermere when the two-seater RAF Eurofighter was 'bounced' from behind by the two F-15E fighters.

The US pilots intended to pursue the supposedly hapless 'Limey' for several miles and lock their radars on to it for long enough so that if it had been a real dogfight the British jet would have been shot down.

But much to the Americans' surprise, the Eurofighter shook them off, outmanoeuvred them and moved into shooting positions on their tails.

The British pilots themselves were almost as surprised at winning an encounter with an aircraft widely regarded as the best fighter in the world.


Sounds like a case of extreme over confidence on the part of the F-15 pilots. No way should 2 fully trained pilots get beaten by (presumably) a pilot in training.
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« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2006, 07:13:21 AM »
It's an urban legend.  Take it for what it's worth...  Mostly nothing.
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« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2006, 08:56:32 AM »
Eagl, what's your opinion about Cdr Nigel 'Sharkey' Ward's (*) claim that the sea-harrier performed extremely well in dogfight against the agressor's squadron and different US F-15 squadrons? I d'like to hear about the other side ;)  

(*) for those who haven't heard about him, Ward was commanding Fleet Air Arm 801 Squadron during the Falklands War.
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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2006, 09:46:08 AM »
deSelys, I won't answer for eagl but that realy depends on the kind of fight. If you are talking about close range dogfight, even an old, well flown, skyhawk will give F15s a hard time. So I guess the Harrier can too in that situation.

But the F15 will put the skyhawks on the defense right from the start and be able to disengage at will. I remember 1 incident in the IAF where in 2 vs. 2 dogfight the F15s blasted through from under the hawks pulled vertically to over 40k (from 20k) and circled above. The poor hawks can't reach that high and were threatening the F15s that if they don't come down and fight, they will leave :)

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« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2006, 10:35:52 AM »
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It always depends on the rules used during these training fights.

If there are no rules, the F-15 usually wins, even when outnumbered, because the F-15 is a purebred, fully integrated air dominance SYSTEM.  That is the sort of dominance the USAF expects to get from the F-22 against the latest generation of fighters plus the next generation of either manned or unmanned airborn weapons systems.
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« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2006, 03:22:31 AM »
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