Voting Nov. 7th, are you "Undecided"?

[Toad]

The snap polls after the debate were all wrong.

They had Bush winning it 49% to 37%.

This is obviously incorrect as they asked only US citizens.

Had they been smart enough to place one phone call to Igloo, they could have gotten his infallible opinion (unsupported by fact as usual)and gotten it right.

 

Here is the erroneous polling data, as yet uncorrected by Igloo:

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who did the best job In the debate?


Bush       49%

Gore       36

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
How did Bush do?


Excellent     29%

Good          51

Only fair     18

Poor           2

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
How did Gore do?


Excellent     18%

Good          54

Only fair     25

Poor           2

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Effect of debate on your opinion of Bush


More favorable    40%

Less favorable    12

No effect         48

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Effect of debate on your opinion of Gore


More favorable    24%

Less favorable    16

No effect         61

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who agree with you more on issues you care about?


Bush        52%

Gore        43

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who was more likeable?


Bush        56%

Gore        31

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who expressed himself more clearly?


Gore        47%

Bush        39

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who was more believable?


Bush        51%

Gore        38

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Is Bush intelligent enough to be a good president?


Yes      70%

No       27

Sampling error: +/-5% pts


CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL
October 11
Who made more unfair attacks on the other candidate?


Gore     40%

Bush     27

Sampling error: +/-5% pts



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[Rebel]

I am so SICK of this liberal "we're out to save the world" bulltoejam!

I, for one, think that welfare should be gone.  Finuten.  Nein, nada, zilp, zilch GONE!

I know a woman who uses the number of babies she has for INCOME!!!  And the saddest part is, I'm payin for their friggin diapers!

Down with welfare, down with social security!  If those old farts had brain one in their heads, they would have been putting money away from the start!  Look at me- I'm 24 years old and I already have 30,000 saved!  And guess what, it ain't goin nowhere!  It's in the bank, where it belongs.

Don't get me wrong, help people, just don't do it with my friggin money!  If the democrats want to hand out free money, set up a donation center.  I don't pay my taxes, I get JACKED from that squeak on the corner.

At least with Bush I know he won't do much, but Gore's big Gov plan only leads to more and more control over the money I work hard to attain.

There.  I'm done.

have a nice day  

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-Rebel
JG2 "Richtofen"
"You Rebel Scum"

[Cabby]

F4UDOA:

Like i said.  Liberals show their true colors every time.  Why do you think i, or anyone else over 16,  gives a toejam what the political affiliation of a bunch of burned-out rock musicians may be?  Who cares?  

Speaking of "stiffs", your Liberal philosophy/Democrat Party is about to become one.  Old. Dead. Defunct.  Irrelevant.  Not in step with the times.  You get the idea.

Oh, BTW.  "Ride Of The Valkyries" is a great tune.  Much better than anything the Stones ever wrote with the possible exception of "Gimmie Shelter", which will be most apropos background music for the coming toejam-storm caused by 8 years of loopy-Liberal incompetence in Government and Education.

Say hi to "Bozo" for me when you get to the "Home For Retired Hippies, Liberals, And Other Assorted Clowns".

Cabby



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[Ripsnort]

Rebel, I don't agree 100% with what you said in regards to welfare, but I do think that a person should be limited on how much they draw.  Then let local groups of volunteers help them after that is exhausted, say, 2 years of welfare,  after that, then one should look for charity within their respective communities, ie. Churches, etc.

Remember, welfare was set up to help those thru the hard times of the depression, with a booming economy as we have, seems pointless to have it, although cutting it off all at once would cause more problems than solve...

Another program being manipulated is S.S.
For instance, my low-life sister, as much as I love her (Blood is thick), married a fellow that was on S.S. for a permanent disability.

She knew what she was doing, had two kids with him,  then divorced him.  Now her kids draw S.S. until they're 18, and shes the one that gets the money (they minors).

[Mighty1]

I'm not a Republican OR a Democrat but I can tell you I've had enough of the Clinton/Gore roadkill to last me a lifetime.

I don't think Bush is the best person for president but he is the better of the two.

I think the 2 vice-president candidates are better suited for the presidency.

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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"

[Rebel]

Roger that, Rip.  I don't really mind spending some money to help those who really need it, but the system is WAY too giving nowdays.  I'm tired of having over a 1/4 of my paycheck going to those people who take advantage of a system.  There should be a system in place that says- you're in this situation, therefore, you only get this much money, and make it a non-livable amount.  This amount could help someone down on their luck, and help them break out, but not enough to sustain a lifestyle of any sort.

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-Rebel
JG2 "Richtofen"
"You Rebel Scum"

[Toad]

A few quotes I found interesting from last nites debate:

Transcript at: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/transcripts/u221011.html

GORE: I just think, Jim, that this is an absolutely unique period in world history. The world's coming together, as I said, they're looking to us. And we have a fundamental choice to make: Are we going to step up to the plate as a nation, the way we did after World War II, the way that generation of heroes said, "OK, the United States is going to be the leader"? And the world benefited tremendously from the courage that they showed in those post-war years.

BUSH: Yes, I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, "This is the way it's got to be. We can help." And maybe it's just our difference in government, the way we view government. I mean, I want to empower people, I don't -- you know, I want to help people help themselves, not have government tell people what to do.

I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country, say, "We do it this way, so should you." Now, I think we can help, and I know we got to encourage democracy and the marketplaces.


So what do you Euro's think of this exchange?


BUSH: I disagree with the vice president on this issue: I don't -- he's for registration of guns. I think the only people that are going to show to register or get a license -- get licensing, like a driver's license, of a gun -- the only people who are going to show up are law-abiding citizens. The criminal's not going to show up and say, "Hey, give me my ID card." It's the law-abiding citizens who will do that. And I -- I just -- I don't think that's going to be an effective tool to make the -- keep our society safe.


GORE: Well, I'm not for registration. I am for licensing by states of new handgun purchases so that...
 

Huh? Hey, Igloo, does Gore need to wake up and join the 21st Century too?

 

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[Gunthr]

Gore had a better tie, a nice blue color.
(I'm sorry for the country to say that it probably got him a few votes.)

I abhor Gore's policies, and budget.

Bush came across better on foreign policy, I thought.

Score so far?

I think Bush is ahead.

 

[Ripsnort]

I agree with that 100% Rebel.  I was there, but never drew on any public funding, just pulled my boot straps up and started clawing out...unfortunatly the welfare system is into 3rd generations of families now, and they laugh about it as well...

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:

Back to the subject, I didn't catch the debate, from radio and internet reports I've heard today, *they* say George won this round...any input on the debate?

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I saw the last hour Rip. I thought Bush blew Gore's pants off him, but I'm just a mean spirited Republican  
What was funny, at the end of the debate, I saw two talking head newscasters trying to spin it with their commentaries saying that Gore had won, that Bush had made this mistake and that mistake.. then their own "instant polls" bore out the fact that Bush had won. Bush looked much more relaxed and came across as more "presidental" and down to earth than Gore did.

Eagler

[-duma-]

You remember that kid at school? Where everyone else wanted to be a designer or a soldier or a drummer or an astronaut, the one that wanted to be a politician?

That's the single biggest problem I have with politics  

[Swager]

It's election year?????

[StSanta]

Aw GUYS.  

I ain't a US liberal. A US liberal is a guy who thinks the government should be more ivolved and bigger. In the European sense of the word liberal, it means the direct opposite. I'm pro tax cuts, I am for a minimalization of the government and so forth.

I'm not sure I like Gore's values. OTOH, even if he is a charming son of a beatch, I am quite sure I dislike some of Bush's values.

30 is only five years away from me. I can tell yo right now that my life style is light years away from anything that could be called "normal family life style"  . And, quite frankly, I cannot see that changing that radically in just five years  . <looks at mess around him, brushes uncombed long wet hair from face>

Man, I'm a slob. And, I like it  .

To sum up some of the disagreements I have with Ripsnort's view on politics: I am pro same choice (not equal choice) in terms of opportunity, which means free university education. I'm pro choice as well. Also pro state run medical care, although the system we have here needs a reform badly. These are the leftovers of a socialistic indoctrination I went through from growing up in Scandinavia   (believe it or not, when I learned at age 12 that you actually had to pay for medicine, I was quite surprised, thinking that the government dealt with health, and medicine was related to health). Dunno where rip stands on the issue of separation of church and state, but I very much support it (and I *wail* live in a country where such a separation is non existant). That means no government money to any religious organisations of faiths; total independency. Which in turn would be a vote against vouchers allowing parents to use government money to put their children into religious schools.

Other than that, me and rip agree on 90%. And, he is bigger than me and can bully me around, but the distance between us enables me to <poke> him in the ribs and run away laughing  .

What I'm saying is that you cannot label me a US democrat, since I really don't know what a US democrat is. I know what a US liberal (in broad terms) is, and I know I ain't one of those. Nor am I a republican, since those people seem to be just as odd as the democrats  .

We have huge taxes here, yet only one party promises "no more increases". So, I am decidedly non socialistic on that issue  .

Now, rip, I believe Bush has another message for you to forward  .

<G, D, R>



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Ripsnort]

Hehe, good post Santa, I wouldn't think of bullying anyone around, but I do enjoy excercising ones thoughts, thus controversial posts in off-topic.

Most folks, when discussing  Politics or  religion,  have made up their minds along time ago on which side of the line they fall on. I like to see how their thought process works, since I'm always discovering something new about myself when it comes to 'global thinking'.  To shoebox oneself into one thought path leads to narrow-minded thinking.  When my kids go thru their 'radical-identity crisis' once  they hit their teens, my philosophy will be the same as my fathers, "you can do anything you wish (up to a relatively 'sane' approach) but you must also pay the consquences of  those decisions as well".  Well, I've paid, I've learned, and I never forget hard-learned lessons.  To go thru life mistake free means you never learn anything.

[Igloo]

Like I said. Like attracts like.  The man you elect in Novemeber is the man whom  you feel best represents you. Doesn't say much if Bush is elected.

The CNN coverage is saying that Gore won the debate by just a little. Also that people were very surpised that Bush has such a grasp on international matters.  LOL, well ya, he better if he wants to be president. The sad thing is, you want to elect someone that suprises people when he gives off the impression of being intelligent enough to handle a situtation..

Like I said, like attracts like..

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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York

"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]

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