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Offline T0J0

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« on: April 20, 2006, 10:46:41 AM »
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Math Prof Apologizes for Test Question
   

BELLEVUE, Wash. (AP) -- A community college math instructor has apologized for a test question invoking Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that students complained was racially insensitive.

Peter Ratener, 60, who has taught at Bellevue Community College for more than 25 years, said Wednesday night at a trustees meeting that the question on an exam last month was an "egregious mistake."

It began, "Condoleezza holds a watermelon just over the edge of the roof of the 300-foot Federal Building, and tosses it up with a velocity of 20 feet per second." The question then asked students to determine when the watermelon would hit the ground.

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And the school system can't fire him Ill bet or wont, the school admin probably high-fiving him  behind closed doors for giving them a great laugh!
 And our kids education takes another beating at the hands of a  racist librule college instructor/professor....
 This garbage gets my blood boiling, the civil rights movement was several decades ago and still we can't get past the racial issues even in a college classroom environment in 2006.... The professor's age puts him in college during the height of the civl rights movement which this guy was stoned thru the entire period probably....

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 10:48:38 AM »
I do not see anything wrong with the question.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 10:51:29 AM »
images of this movie drift past my head

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 10:56:28 AM »
I still do not get it, but I am starting to think that is a good thing.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 11:02:05 AM »
The question is ridiculous. Everyone knows that Condoleeeeeeeeeezza would never throw a perfectly good watermelon off of the roof.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 11:03:29 AM »
Heh Skuzzy, sure you do.  What you mean is that there *shouldn't* be anything wrong with the question.  Big difference.

Unfortunately, generations of white people making racist jokes about black people and watermelon has turned this particular combination of race and a nice cool summer treat into a reference that reminds many people of racism and hatred.  And since those references continue to be brought up by narrow minded bigots with the intent to spread more hatred and racism, even innocent references can and will be seen as insensitive at best.

It sucks to have to be that careful about every little thing people say, but racial hatred has lots of consequences for everyone.  This just happens to be one way that racists are hurting everyone, because EVERYONE has to be careful about how their words may be interpreted.  Blaming the victims (or the children of the victims) for being touchy doesn't help...

I think it's retarded that I have to constantly censor what I say, but in cases of otherwise innocent phrases that are still associated with racial hatred, I blame the racist bastards, not those who may be (in my opinion) very sensitive and quick to take offense to such things.

One thing I am sure of...  Unless the professor has a history of racial bias, he ought to receive nothing more than a verbal warning from his department head to consider his ENTIRE audience when phrasing test questions.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2006, 11:12:37 AM »
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because EVERYONE has to be careful about how their words may be interpreted.
 


Horse biscuits. If you play the lame game of PC you may think you have to. I don`t and I won`t play that. Humor is humor. If someone is going to pull the race card, they are going to pull it no matter what.
Richard Pryor included jokes about white, black, Mex.................and every other nationality and race using the old common references that are considered non-PC and would normaly be used to play the race card. IMHO he was one of the top comedians of our times.

He also did more to bridge gaps and dispell myths between the white/black issues than the total of the so called experts.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 11:12:55 AM »
Eagl, you may find it hard to believe, but I have no clue what the inference is between watermelons and black people.  How can a watermelon be racist?
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2006, 11:19:34 AM »
Will this question go with it

Condoleezza eats fried chicken at a rate of 4 ounces every 2.4 minutes. How much in weight will it eat in 35 minutes?




According to those crybaby students, if I see a test that talks about having a car sitting in the front or back of a house, I will say its making fun of rednecks and hillbillies. I will then proced to write every single newspaper complaining about it and state I suffered emotional damages and stress because of that question :rolleyes:
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2006, 11:21:54 AM »
I calculated that the melon would hit the deck about 6 seconds after leaving Condi's hands. In terms of downward velocity, free falling objects accelerate towards earth at a rate of 32ft per second per second. So in the first second, the initial downward velocity would be -20ft per second, tending toward zero during that first second. The melon would rise about 10ft before starting downward towards the base of the Federal Building from a height of 310ft. A second later it would be at 278ft, a second after that 214ft, a second after that 118ft, and would go splat about a second later. Of course, wind resistance and other environmental variables such as temperature, humidity and wind speed would come into play, but to the nearest second, I'd estimate 6 seconds.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 11:22:47 AM »
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According to those crybaby students, if I see a test that talks about having a car sitting in the front or back of a house, I will say its making fun of rednecks and hillbillies. I will then proced to write every single newspaper complaining about it and state I suffered emotional damages and stress because of that question :rolleyes:


I`d be curious as to what make/model the cars were and the possibility of trading some used tires for one if it was the one I wanted to add to my collection. :D
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2006, 11:23:26 AM »
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Eagl, you may find it hard to believe, but I have no clue what the inference is between watermelons and black people.  How can a watermelon be racist?



Watermellons are mad because they were picked off the vine and eaten by everyone. They will soon form the NAAWM (National Association for the Advancement of WaterMellons) and demand equal rights of more popular fruits and vegetables :D :rofl
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 11:23:53 AM »
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I do not see anything wrong with the question.


 Walk down MLK street in Dallas and ask a crowd to solve that math question and see if you don't get your arse beat.. Then you'll understand.

The question could have been asked many ways without using the term watermelon...


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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 11:29:12 AM »
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Walk down MLK street in Dallas and ask a crowd to solve that math question and see if you don't get your arse beat.. Then you'll understand.
TJ


So........ I take it you don`t have much confidence in the average black man`s common sense, intelligence, etc. etc. Is that correct? :D
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 11:31:49 AM »
Skuzzy,

I'm not going to draw you a picture, but I'll be blunt and I figure you may need to lock the thread afterwards.  I am very suprised you do not know or understand this, but it's a historic issue.

For many many years, a typical stereotype of black people was spread by whites who deliberately intended to portray black people as not quite human, and they caricatured blacks by drawing cartoons.  These cartoons deliberately gave the black people monkey-like features, grossly oversized lips, and commonly portrayed them as eating "typical" southern food such as watermelon and fried chicken.

It was so widespread that even non-racist people accepted these caricatures as normal simply because they were all over the place.  But the intent of these cartoons was NOT to portray black people as friendly, cute, or as "friends".  They are in many cases simply degrading.  Sure there are versions that aren't quite as blatantly disgusting, but they are merely watered down versions of originals that portray black people as stupid animals.

Why do you think Disney's "song of the south", and certain scenes from Disney's "fantasia" have been, and always will be, voluntarily censored in the US?  Because the portrayal of black minorities in those movies are direct reflections of a broad societal assumption back when those films were made, that black people were not as human as white people were.

Again, I am a bit shocked that you are not aware of this part of our nation's long and racially charged history, but I guess I made an assumption that "everyone knew" about this sort of thing.  I grew up going to a magnet school in San Diego, riding a bus to a poor, predominantly black school for over an hour each day as part of a deliberate school integration program, so I suppose I was closer to this part of US history than many people.  But believe me, it is a real part of our history and it's taken active efforts in the last couple of generations to squash this sort of pervasive and subtle racist portrayal of minorities.

If you don't believe me, you may want to head over to a local university and audit a course that covers US history over the last 80 years or so.  Remember as recent as WWII, the Korean war, and to some extent even the Vietnam war, black military members were relegated to menial jobs simply because "everyone" thought they were genetically inferior to whites.  They didn't think it was a racist assessment, rather they were basing their opinions on underlying cultural attitudes, attitudes spread throughout the US by things as simple as a cartoon caricature of a dark skinned monkey eating watermelon.

Fast-forward to a university professor, who is old enough that he ought to know about the desegregation riots and all that came with that era, coming up with a test question linking our nation's most powerful black woman and a watermelon.  Can you now see how this could possibly bring up flashbacks to those caricatures that were intended to demean and degrade black people?

Delete, edit, or close as necessary...  This is a very emotionally charged issue and unfortunately a lot of people are not aware of WHY certain items are so touchy to minorities.  In this case, the reason goes back 200 or more years.
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