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Offline shiningpathb4me

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« on: April 20, 2006, 01:59:58 PM »
My brother and I each play AH on the same PC. We keep different hours so it's not usually a problem, except on weekends.  We have multiple PC's, two of which are under construction (new).  When we finish these, we will need a network so we can play on any of them, at the same time, and the kids/grandkids can do their thing also.

We have a big house that stretches over 100' feet in two directions. I'm concerened about the length of cable runs for wired Ethernet.  Wireless seems to be the best way to solve that problem, but I don't want a network that won't support AHII.  The main reason for the network is AHII.
We've gotten by without one untill we both started playing this game.

How long of cable runs can I make with Ethernet? Will a wireless network support AHII?  If my PC is hardwired to the access point, and his is connected wireless, will his game experience suffer? Will his wireless connection degrade my connection/game experience? SHould I forget wireless and run cabling? will I need to install repeaters/hubs or something? Will wireless signal encryption affect game performance? (Nearest neighbor is engineer for phone company - no telling what he's got in there :)

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 03:56:41 PM »
I've had wireless system in my house 2 years now and Im satisfied. AH works fine. It is encrypted, and hidden + MAC filter enabled. My wife is satisfied because there are no cables everywhere...

Wired is better = faster, more reliable, more secure but not that much that you couldnt use wlan in home.

I dont see any big problems with WLAN so I would say, go for it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 05:05:44 PM »
Max ethernet cable length is 100 meters.

One thing to remember with ethernet wire networks:  there are hubs and there are switches.  Switches are better, and they are so cheap these days, there is no reason to get a hub.  Hubs are what we used to buy when switches were expensive.

Also, if you are putting in new wiring, get at least Cat5e cable.

If it were me, I'd much prefer a wired solution.  However, if that entailed more cost and bother than I could endure, maybe I'd try a wireless solution first with a couple wireless routers.  Then, if it didn't give me the bandwidth I wanted, I'd eat the cost on those couple of routers and go the wired route.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 06:31:03 PM »
The new "pre-N" wireless is at a point that you'll have no problem using a wireless network. The real key is in combining the right elements. Since my system predates "N" I decided to get an amplified antenna to bosst my signal (hawking HSB1)....basically I'm blasting out a signal 5 times stronger then normal for a "g" network. Most of your major nics are interchangable...I have netgear SMC Dlink & us Robotics on mine....stay away from airlink and your fine. I actually like belkin the best right now.

I would buy a "mimo" broadband router and a single matching mimo card to start. Set the router in place and then set up your workstation everywhere you anticipate a future location and test for reception under all types of anticipated loads....dont assume the farthest location will be the toughest...it almost never is for some reason. THe only mimo setup I'd recommend against is the netgear "maxrange" or what ever they call it....its actually two generations behind....dlink belkin linksys are all good.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2006, 12:48:17 AM »
Wireless dude.

You can get 11mbps from a crappy Lynksis usb wireless adapter from Walmart, which is plenty. Get a decent Wireless router and you're rocking.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2006, 05:54:53 PM »
My only problem with wireless is security. I know people who've travel around and can jack into someones wireles who's running one in a neborhood. Does the security of a wireless that good? I'd hate to have someone looking at my 'porn' while I'm surfing.   :O
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2006, 06:25:46 PM »
the deal with switches is they are worthless when you only have one ip assigned by your isp , you need a routor to subnet the ip for additional pc's on one ip addy .

100 feet is recommended distance on a single cat5 cable but ive ran 150 feet befor without any noticable problems .

with wireless all you have to do is password protect each connect and its probely cheaper then buying all the cat5 cable that your gonna need (unless your sitting on a free stack as large as mine)
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2006, 07:04:06 PM »
RJ-45 (Cat5 / 5e) max length is 100 metres not feet.
100m = 328ft so your well within the max length at 150ft.

RJ-45 also has a minimum length of approx 0.5m.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2006, 12:47:49 AM »
I'm searching around now for the stuff that I need. Do I keep my DSL modem and just plug it into the router? Or do these "Wireless Access Points" have that built-in? I've found several for about $80.

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2006, 03:59:15 AM »
Most of the routers, wireless or not, do not have the necessary dsl or cable modem built in.  Some do, but they are usually expensive.

If your existing DSL modem connects to your computer using USB though, you're going to either have to get a router that accepts USB network input (expensive) or get another dsl modem that uses ethernet.

Don't get just a "wireless access point" unless you already have a router!  Make sure it says router on it, not just wireless access point, otherwise it probably won't work unless  you already have another router.

You may be able to find a wireless router for $49-$59 if you don't mind not getting the latest model, and a non-wireless router for as low as $30.  I have 2 d-link wireless routers that work well for me, but I've also had some very bad luck lately with both cheap d-link and cheap linksys wireless routers when trying to set them up for family members.  If you find one that *should* work but isn't, or it keeps dropping your connection, only spend a few days troubleshooting.  Update the bios, try other settings, that sort of thing.  If it still doesn't work, return it and get a different one.

As an example of something that *should* work but doesn't, My d-link DI-614+ works just great normally but if I turn on azureus bittorrent encryption, the wireless router starts acting strangely and then simply crashes after about 15 minutes.  Routers shouldn't do that, but some are either poorly built or badly designed.  I tried to install a D-Link DI-604 router for my grandfather but after each hour of use, it would crash requiring a reset.  That's not acceptable.  My Mom had a linksys WRT54G that worked just fine for 14 hours with WPA encryption turned on, but then when I reset the router to change the password, the wireless radio would not turn on unless I disabled WPA encryption.  It would work with WEP encryption, but not the more secure WPA.  I fixed that one by updating the bios, but it took several hours to troubleshoot something that should not have been a problem.  I think I've heard these kinds of stories for every single brand of router, so just try one and if it won't work, troubleshoot for a little bit but do not be afraid to return it to try another one.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2006, 03:03:07 PM »
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
I'm searching around now for the stuff that I need. Do I keep my DSL modem and just plug it into the router? Or do these "Wireless Access Points" have that built-in? I've found several for about $80.


you keep your dsl modem   (ur gonna need it) then got to ur routor/gateway .... from there to your pc .
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2006, 02:47:58 PM »
I found an interactive guide at microsoft.com that was very helpful. Its based on .NET framework and takes you through everything you need to take an existing 1-PC internet connection to networked - step-by-step.

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2006, 03:04:27 PM »
Skuzzy would highly advise you to stay away from .NET

also, with M$'s solution you may have unnecessary overhead.

honestly, it is soooo easy to plug from your DSL modem into a router from best buy, then run wires out from there to each PC. thats all you really need to do physically.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2006, 03:24:41 PM »
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Skuzzy would highly advise you to stay away from .NET

also, with M$'s solution you may have unnecessary overhead.

honestly, it is soooo easy to plug from your DSL modem into a router from best buy, then run wires out from there to each PC. thats all you really need to do physically.


Trying to make his house look like ours ... ??/?   lol

ive got mine running xcross the ceiling on hooks (I cant wait til the climbing ivy plant gets a going again )

its really easy to setup  multiable pcs .. and you dont have to "network" them to each other (unless you really want to) and have full internet .

i normally just use a messenger program to file swap between most of my pc's (ive got 4+ running)
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2006, 04:19:23 PM »
lol no...

just dont want him setting up shared access while installing .NET and getting into 1 PC being a "server" for his "home network" and God knows what other hoops M$ wants him to jump through :lol
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