Author Topic: Oh my! Bush has lost his luster?!? Let the fun begin! (Read 3143 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:32:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Spot on Yeager and Kieren..this kind of talk just scares the living crap out of me...to think their are individuals living in a free enterprize country like this...un-be-lieveable...

I really don't think he nor towd believe 9/10's of what they type. They are like StSanta and just go for shock value and to stir the pot.. then again maybe I'm just trying to fool myself

Eagler

Ripsnort · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:38:00 AM »

I'd like to add that when I was hired by the company I now work for...in the orientation meeting I had, there were 25 individuals...9 blacks, 8 of Asian background, 14 were women, 3 were hispanic, and 5 were white males...so don't try to say it was my color (white) that gave me some kind of advantage over others hired.

During my first month and 1/2 in Seattle, that room I rented...I also shared a hallway bathroom with 3 other 'tenant's , 2 hookers and a pimp...also working hard to get ahead..LOL!

Dowding · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:39:00 AM »

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...to think their are individuals living in a free enterprize country like this...un-be-lieveable...

That you say this is MORE scary.

Is uniformity of opinion your desire? Or just your particular concept of eden?

Are you some kind of communist?

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Toad · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:42:00 AM »

It's as easy as "pie" to see who's paying the overwhelming percentage of taxes in the US.
http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/#Head-1.htm

Projected Income Tax Burden for 1999

"An enormous percentage of taxes are payed by a minority of Americans:

The Top 1% of taxpayers pay 29% of all taxes.

The Top 5% of taxpayers pay 50% of all taxes.

Our tax system is not so much progressive as it is confiscatory -- Frederic Bastiat called this phenomenon "legal plunder."

A progressive tax is based on the premise that those with more income can afford to pay more taxes, and conversely, those with little or no income should pay no tax. However, a quick look at Graph 1A below shows that the U.S. tax system has become far beyond progressive.

Fully half the taxpayers contribute almost nothing in individual income taxes.

The Top 1% of income earners (comprising about 1 million families) earn about 15% of the total income earned by all wage earners in the United States, yet they pay almost 30% of all individual income taxes.

Furthermore, the Top 1% are shouldering a roughly 50% higher proportion of the overall income tax burden than they did in 1977.

The argument most oft used against tax breaks are that they benefit only the wealthy. It is clear from even a cursory look at the numbers below that the 'wealthy' will receive the majority of any income tax reduction because they pay a disproportionately huge percentage of the income taxes!

To structure a tax break such that those in upper income brackets are excluded would constitute nothing more than transfer of wealth from those who have it to those who don't (i.e. legal plunder.)"

Yeah, tell me again that it's not fair to give EVERYONE at tax cut.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding:
That you say this is MORE scary.

Is uniformity of opinion your desire? Or just your particular concept of eden?

Are you some kind of communist?

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Yeah, you got a point Dowding...to be fortunate to live in a country where one has his or her own opinion is indeed a free country...I retract the statement, but find this type of socialist thinking very erie indeed...thankfully there are corner stones in place in our constitution that prevent this kind of communism from spreading....at least for now.

Yeager · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:48:00 AM »

Eagler,

I believe in what I communicate here. I sometimes flirt with shock value but never go against my own principles in doing so.

I feel strongly tied to the concepts that the founders employed in the Federal Constitution. I believe that document was written with the greatest devotion to the human condition.

All human beings have but one chance at life. Do the best job you can with it or at least die trying. My only regret Sir is that I have but one life to give to my country.

Dowding,

I believe and support yours and Leonids cherrished right to communicate whatever you wish here in public. More so for my own right to reply.

Just realize that I will forcefully, and hopefully with respect, respond when I so desire.

Yeager

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Eagler · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2001, 11:51:00 AM »

Yeager

Sorry I was speaking of leoniod and towd. I know you believe and stand for your expressions. Sorry for confusion..

Eagler

Toad · « **Reply #22 on:** February 08, 2001, 12:13:00 PM »

...and from the US Treasury itself:

Here are the latest breakdowns, released Oct. 16, 2000 by the IRS:

1998 Tax Statistics

% Of Taxpayers/Income Split Point/Group's Share of Total Taxes

Top 1% - above $269,496 pay 34.8%

Top 5% - above $114,729 pay 53.8%

Top 10% - above $83,220 pay 65.0%

Top 25% - above $50,607 pay 82.7%

Top 50% - above $25,491 pay 95.8%

Bottom 50% - below $25,491 pay 4.2%

The top 10%, starting with those that make $83,220 an up, are paying 65% of the tax. The other 90% of taxpayers are covering just 35%.

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #23 on:** February 08, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »

For anyone having trouble understanding this thread:

The Democrats just realized Bush is really a Republican.

AKDejaVu

Dowding · « **Reply #24 on:** February 08, 2001, 12:44:00 PM »

I'm a little surprised by your reply, Ripsnort. I expected to be blasted for accusing you of communism (even in jest).

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Well, I have to say, when you guys talk about your fondness for firearms, like you're discussing your favourite car - I find THAT eerie.

It's something I can't get over, and I think most Brits would find it strange. In fact, anyone who I've ever discussed it with have found the American obsession with firearms unfathomable.

We speak the same language, but that's about as much as we have in common.

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** February 08, 2001, 12:47:00 PM »

Dowding, are you hijacking this tax thread into gun control?

Yeager · « **Reply #26 on:** February 08, 2001, 01:21:00 PM »

It's something I can't get over, and I think most Brits would find it strange. In fact, anyone who I've ever discussed it with have found the American obsession with firearms unfathomable
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Thank you Dowding!

Thank you very much

I find your comment wholeheartedly and completely reassuring

It lends powerful credibility to the historic differences that led to the initial flight from subjugated England and further demonstrates that those differences, although tempered by the American trend towards socialism, still exist today.

As hard as this might be for you to understand, I am proud of my heritage of personal firearms ownership. It shows that I am truly part of "the people". That is what gives me unending pride and devotion to the principles gauranteed by the Founding Fathers.

God bless them, each and every one.

Yeager

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** February 08, 2001, 01:37:00 PM »

Yeager is much better than I at come-backs..but let me add this..
Firearms and World War 2 planes are very similiar...and I think you like WW2 Aircraft ,right Dowding?

WW2 Aircraft carried guns, weapons used against enemy of ones country and civilians there within..however they're used for sport as well (aircraft that is..or in the case of WW2 aircraft...Reno racing)

Guns are used against enemy of ones country and civilian's alike..however they're used for sport as well.

Dowding · « **Reply #28 on:** February 08, 2001, 04:06:00 PM »

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Dowding, are you hijacking this tax thread into gun control?

Thanks for pointing that out.

I'd like to jump ship at this point, but I just need to say a few (hopefully) final words on this subject.

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It lends powerful credibility to the historic differences that led to the initial flight from subjugated England and further demonstrates that those differences, although tempered by the American trend towards socialism, still exist today.

A very romantic vision of your country's history, and I'm sure they teach that very well from an early age.

I don't expect you to really pay any credence towards my opinions, but the way I see it, you seem to only find a sense of community when it is wrapped around the barrel of a gun. To me, that seems a very fragile, insecure patriotism with a touch of the anachronistic.

The world has moved on. Perhaps it's time move on with it.

Ripsnort, contrary to what you might think, I have nothing against guns per se. Outright bans are a little over the top; but I do believe that they should be exclusively used in registered gun clubs, and not in the home or on the streets.

Eagler · « **Reply #29 on:** February 08, 2001, 04:15:00 PM »

The other side of this tax break coin is to stimulate the economy. By giving the people back the money they earned in the first place, allows them to spend it - putting it back into circulation. It allows the business owner to expand, creating more jobs. Sorry if you don't get it, but the wealthy run the place. How many of you are working for someone/company that's grossing < $100,000 annually? Us little guys are not the driving force in our economy. Personally I'd like to see the market hit 30k+ by the time I retire

Eagler