Author Topic: Saving Nash the trouble... (Read 1398 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2006, 10:59:15 PM »

There is nothing to be gained by impeachment.

Mr Big · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2006, 11:01:12 PM »

The US war in Iraq is the most illegal, unjustified and corrupt war in world history. No other war in the history of earth has been this bad.

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2006, 12:28:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
The Dems are the opposition party. There are 231 Republicans and 201 Democrats with 1 Independent.

If there's fire under all this smoke, why isn't there some action? The Republicans don't have that much of a majority

A majority, any majority, is enough of a majority. Republicans run the subcommittees. If ya don't run those, fahgeddaboudit. You can't move nuthin' up the hill. You can't investigate squat.

Give the Democrats a majority, however, and then the subcommittees will be run by Democrats, and then you might actually see something in the form of actual, you know, real oversight. The kind the founders intended.

That might sound like a threat to some people nowadays...

Boo hoo. The Republican Senate, the Republican Congress, whipped by the Republican Executive have done.................... nothing. Except rubber stamp themselves out of one jam after another.

Seriously. How could a political party who has nothing but contempt for government, be expected to actually govern? That's like hiring Pauly Shore as conductor of the Philharmonic. It's like hiring Streisand for head of the NRA.

Republicans, being the idiot self centered xenophobic frightened little salamanders that they are, are so FAR out of their league that, when put into positions of actual power, can't help but to make a complete and total mess out of every single thing that they touch.

"Government" - Bad

"Liberal media" - Bad

"Universities" - Bad

"Gays" - Bad

"Immigration" - Bad

"Gun control" - Bad

"Environmental checks" - Bad

"Hollywood" - Bad

"Sex" - Bad

Ya know what? Screw these people and the horse they rode in on.

Doofusus.....

They hate government. Always have. So no WONDER that they suck at it.

Toad says "The Republicans don't have that much of a majority....."

The problem is.... they have enough of a majority. And by majority we're talking an entire majority. So much of a majority that when Conyers actually does try to provide some oversight, they kick him down into a room in the basement and ignore the entire thing.

Until that flips and these underachieving *******s get sent packing, then it's gonna be nuthin' but the same crap from these same god fearing hypocritical sweetheartbags who never expected anything from you but your mouth-breathing unthinking complacency.

Maybe it's what you deserve. I think most folks deserve better.

Yeager · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2006, 12:31:35 AM »

The US war in Iraq is the most llegal, justified and necessary war in world history. No other war in the history of earth has been this important.

Oh dagummit, I fergot....its all about oil and haliburton

J_A_B · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:11:48 AM »

Nash, do you *really* think one party is much different than the other? They're both corrupt, self-serving, power-hungry, and out of touch with (and couldn't care less about) real America.

Have you ever read a Steinbeck story called, "The Pearl"? It's about poor pearl harvesters. They supposedly have several corporate buyers for the pearls they harvest, but in reality they only have one choice due to corruption within the system.

The major political parties in the USA are much the same--they give you two choices, but in reality there's only one choice. Whichever choice we pick, we're still voting for a corrupt lying corporate puppet.

Things will get worse before they get better.

J_A_B

Debonair · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:38:01 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
...Things will get worse before they get better....

they will?
darn.
i picked the wrong day to quit smoking.

J_A_B · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:52:42 AM »

"i picked the wrong day to quit smoking."

I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing gl.....aw, nevermind.

J_A_B

Nash · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2006, 01:56:04 AM »

Nah.... bs.

Now. I aint so naive to think that everything is roses. I mean, we are talking about politicians afterall.

But this whole "lesser of two evils" thing drives me nuts. Because it's not that, and the only people that you hear that from nowadays are the people who are now just waking up from zombiedom and have decided to just throw their arms up into the air in some kind of spastic death throe.

The fact is that responsible, strong, compassionate, principled, respected and intelligent government actually can exist.

The kind of government that would make you proud again. In fact, there is quite a track record of it....

But.... instead.... you get a Frank Luntz induced mirror image of yourselves.

Oh! The horror...

Play time is over. So over. It's time that you snap out of it.

J_A_B · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:08:15 AM »

"But this whole 'lesser of two evils' thing drives me nuts. Because it's not that, and the only people that you hear that from nowadays are the people who are now just waking up from zombiedom "

Here we see the common leftist tactic of labeling anyone who disagrees with them stupid or ignorant. I've been called worse. I won't play that game--come up with something better.

I distrust Republicans in general as well as today's Democrats. "Lesser of two Evils" might not be totally accurate as they're increasingly as bad as each other. "Caught between a rock and a hard place" might be a better way to describe how I feel. I can either vote for one candidate I dislike, vote for a second candide I dislike, or vote for some other guy who has utterly no chance of victory. What kind of choice is that!?!?

"The fact is that responsible, strong, compassionate, principled, respected and intelligent government actually can exist."

Not in a country dominated by out-of-control unregulated corporate entities it can't. Many of our founders didn't trust them, and it's easy to see why their distrust wasn't unwarranted. Washington also didn't much like political parties.
The pendulum of power will eventually swing back away from corporate america, but it'll take a major social problem (such as the great depression) first. As Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, "...all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed"

J_A_B

eagl · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:21:45 AM »

Well, let's see how it works from a practical point of view.

The President is responsible for the safety of the nation, and he's allowed to send our military to war for 90 days on just his opinion, if he determines that it's necessary.

After 90 days, congress has the ability to cut off the military activities with a simple vote. Beyond this, congress is also responsible for funding the military so they have a very real ability to directly control what the military does, by directly controlling the military budget.

If the people of the US don't like what the President does, they can elect another one after 4 years. If they don't like what their congressional reps do in terms of controlling the military, they can elect new reps every 2 years.

Let's see what really happened.

Congress voted to allow the war to continue beyond 90 days, and has not held a single vote to overturn this decision.

Every 6 months since the war started, congress has passed budgetary measures to fund the war. This includes the full annual budget which includes specific pots of money for equipment, homeland, and expeditionary operations, plus mid-year budget supplementals with specific funding for wartime operational budget shortfalls.

Congress has also not seriously considered any censure or impeachment measures.

The people... Congressional incumbency is near all-time highs with the balance of power being roughly the same as it was 12 years ago, indicating the vast majority of citizens, both democrat and republican, approve of their congressional representation.

The president won his re-election bid.

So the answer to your question is yes, the President gets a pass, because he acted fully within his constitutionally and legally defined powers, the governmental body responsible for providing a direct check on presidential power has not made a SINGLE real challenge to the president's decisions, and the American citizens have voiced their approval of both the President and their Congressional representatives by voting to keep nearly all of them in office throughout the conflict.

Is that clear enough?

NattyIced · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2006, 06:45:45 AM »

Sure is Eagl. The majority of Americans are idiots for re-electing the ******s in congress, and re-electing captain ******. EDIT : Can't say bellybutton hat?

Eagler · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2006, 07:00:43 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
To simplify things, please feel free to pick one or more of the following and identify by letter.

E: LOL LOL LOL

E for Eagler - thanks!

Toad · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2006, 08:18:16 AM »

Oh, BS Nash.

You act as if the Congress is divided into two monolithic blocks that always vote the straight party line. As if there is NO issue that can make them rise above the party pettiness.

You act as if House Democrats are totally powerless.

You really believe that if all 201 Democats co-sponsored Conyer's bill that nothing would happen? That no spotlight would be turned more closely on these issues? That the American people would remain as complacent and unaware of the issues that seem to consume you? That the media wouldn't make it the issue of the quarter?

"The people" aren't going to lead this issue. They don't have the "inside info", the intelligence resources or the money to dig this all out and get it to the front page. The Democrats do.

Yet..... yet..... Conyer's bill has 28 co-sponsors.

Why aren't the Democrats, the Opposition Party, all over this issue?

Toad · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2006, 08:20:09 AM »

As for impeachment being pointless, I'm pretty certain that if impeachment can be justified for Bush due to the decision to go to war, Cheney will be in the exact same boat.

Dennis Hastert might be your next President.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2006, 09:07:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
The fact is that responsible, strong, compassionate, principled, respected and intelligent government actually can exist.

The kind of government that would make you proud again. In fact, there is quite a track record of it....