Author Topic: CH vs Cougar vs Saitek X52 (X45)  (Read 1976 times)

Offline Connection

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CH vs Cougar vs Saitek X52 (X45)
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2006, 05:52:25 PM »
Neither CH or Cougar are better than the other. It's a matter of preference.
I find the stiffer feel of the cougar a plus, yet some people find it a bad thing. Weaklings, and you should try flying a real plane, its not loose at all. I had the CH setup for a while and had to mod it with an o-ring to make it stiffer.

Otherwise, both are great. I cant distinguish difference in precision, both are very precise. My Cougar's ANT RNG rotary is funky, both otherwise have never given me any problem, not even the pots. On the CH I had to replace the throttle due to the microstick becoming loose and disattaching. The replacement had the same problem hours into using it.

Offline TinmanX

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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2006, 01:26:37 AM »
My butt beard would control a plane better than an X45
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Offline megger31

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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2006, 09:46:06 AM »
well i had a cougar for two weeks now , and hate it , since connecting it , havent liked nor have i been able to fly with it , so at min it back in box with a big "£$"% for sale sign on it .

yes with mods but might be differant , but hell i might as well go try CH for how much that lot gonna set me back . so until i sort out another stick and work the overtime to pay for it , my flying days are over .

Offline shiningpathb4me

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X52? I loved mine . . .
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2006, 01:56:20 PM »
Its the best Ive ever owned. I've never had a CH or cougar, never even seen one in a store. My favorite feature is the throttle. the 4-way under my index finger moved right or left controls gear changes or flaps depending on stick set in use. Moved up or down controls gun zoom in/out. The buttons under the thumb are my squad and range vox. On the x45 I used the little button behind the mouse pointer to work brakes. I use 2nd hat to jump to gun positions (gv and bomber stick sets).

Here's the BAD NEWS -- I just built a really cool new gaming PC and my X52 doesnt work (see my post about X52 misbehaving). Other sticks work on new PC, X52 works on old. Unless someone can help me solve this, it means a new joystick, and a "brand" new X52 that I can't return. In order to get a similar setup from CH, I'll have to purchase the separate throttle (another $150) for a $250 - $300 joystick setup. Thats pretty steep when i've just built two new PC's for me & my son, added a network, and upgraded the old PC. (My living room is littered w/ boxes, foam peanuts, and paperwork and the all hell is going to break loose around here if I don't get this place cleaned up.)

As I recall stone - you were looking/pricing a similar system to mine. Just a warning that an X52 might not work w/ your board (for some mysterious reason)

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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2006, 04:32:08 PM »
I don't know wheere you're buying your stuff but someone's ripping you off :)
x52 is around 90-100, here for example http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=301766

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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2006, 05:58:04 PM »
As has already been posted, the choice of a HOTAS setup is very much a personal thing.  

I love my CH gear.  It's reliable and has a multitude of programming options.

I love my Cougar even more.  Maybe I can't draw a perfect circle with it, but that's never been a problem for me.  I don't draw alot of circles while flying.  I'm consistantly able to put it where I need it.  The heavy springs are WONDERFUL, in my opinion.  That'd be the first upgrade I'd do to my CH Fighterstick if I thought that heavier springs wouldn't break the thing.  As I just posted in the CH Hanger forums, I must have had a "peach" of a Cougar while others have been stuck with lemons.  I have a very early serial number which I've owned since about a month after they were released.  In constant heavy use in the years since then, I've never had a problem with my dogfight or speedbrake switches.  There's not an undue amount of sticktion on the throttle.  I've always been able to get pretty minute power changes out of it.  No broken springs.  No death of the throttle despite never unplugging it while flashing firmware or even plugging it in, as seems to be the Cougar communities suggestions.  No unreasonable amount of center play in the stick.  I just yesterday started seeing some pot spiking on the stick's X-axis.  I've decided that this is an opportunity to go ahead and upgrade to Halls and maybe even a fancy gimbal system.  Not because I feel that my Cougar really NEEDS it, but because it'll make an already great stick even better.

In the meantime, I'm transitioning back to my CH gear.  The different button/rotary choices on the throttle & stick are no big deal.   Both layouts have their pros & cons.  It's just a matter of relearning the CH layouts I programmed years ago, and updating some of them since the CH programming software has made great strides forward since I've last used this gear regularly.  I do sorely miss the strong stick springs as well as the detents and arc of the throttle though.  

If I were on a budget I'd imagine that I could be happy with the Siatek gear as well.  All reports of it have been fairly good.  Seems to not be quite as capable of tricky programming like the Cougar & Ch stuff is, but I've found that I really don't mess with too much of that anyways.  I prefer not to overwhelm myself with hundreds of commands on the stick, using the clickable cockpits for sims such as Falcon 4.0 AF & MSFS.  Seems more realistic that way as well.    Don't really care for the "space fighter" look of the Siatek gear, but looks are only skin deep, as they say.  :)

The one main bonus of going with a full CH setup (stick, throttle & pedals) is that the software can combine all of them into one stick as far as the system is concerned.  So if you're playing an older sim that only recognizes one controller, you'll be able to use them all.  In fact, you can add the Throttle Quadrant and Yoke in as well if you like to fly bombers in AH or multiengine planes in GA sims.  (Of course, if you're willing to do some hacking & soldering, you can hook your USB CH Pedals up to your Cougar.  :) )

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« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2006, 01:38:33 PM »
FWIW I think the Cougar is meant to be positioned like in an F-16.
Low, beside the leg... not up on a desk.

This may help but it isn't convenient.

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2006, 03:23:09 PM »
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I've decided that this is an opportunity to go ahead and upgrade to Halls and maybe even a fancy gimbal system. Not because I feel that my Cougar really NEEDS it, but because it'll make an already great stick even better.


It's well worth it.  Last month I decided to order a U2NXT, and it is a work of art.  It feels even better then it looks :)  If you like your Cougar, this is a must have.  

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FWIW I think the Cougar is meant to be positioned like in an F-16.


I found lowering the Cougar makes it much easier to reach the buttons, but it does not feel right when I pull the stick back.  The real F16 stick does not move (much) as it uses a pressure senor, and not pots/halls.  I think it feels better higher on the table.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2006, 12:41:41 PM »
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Weaklings, and you should try flying a real plane, its not loose at all. I had the CH setup for a while and had to mod it with an o-ring to make it stiffer.

 


Did that. It had a yolk. :D


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs