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Offline Stone

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RAID or not.
« on: April 26, 2006, 03:50:24 PM »
I have asked for a quote for a new system.

As todays mobo's have RAID I figured I buy 4*160 HD and make them Raid 0, for speed ?

Or maybe I make 3 disk in raid 0 and one I keep for data.

Or will Raid 0 make any difference in speed in real life?

Maybe its usefull more on servers than on a gameing PC?

Has anyone RAID, and what do you think of it?

I dont need radi 5 or 1 for redundancy, I am just looking for speed :)

Maybe one big disk is still the best way to go?

Offline LePaul

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 07:12:59 PM »
2 HDD for RAID 1 is my preferred setup.  Speed and redundancy

Id use RAID 0 if I had nothing important on my system, so a crash would simply be a restore from a backup.

Depends on what your system will be.  Purely for games that can be easily reinstalled in a worse case scenario, there ya go.

All around system that has import tasks asides games, then I'd go with RAID 1/Mirror.

Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2006, 08:23:16 PM »
RAID 0 would be the fastest ( & not a true RAID array ) The problem is that if only one of the two H.D.'s fails it corrupts all the data because it splits half to one drive & half to the other when storing.

 The other set-up's are redundant which is what RAID is all about. If you think about it, in theory RAID 0 set-up is twice as likely to fail as a single hard drive because there are two of them with unique information. So you take the T.T.F. ( time to failure ) or M.T.B.F. ( mean time between failure ) & multiply the number of H.D.'s running....you will eventually reach a number where immediate failure of at least one of them wll occur. I think the estimated T.T.F. of the average H.D. is something like 80,000 start/stop cycles. In other words if you used 80,000 hard drives with 80,000 start/stop cycles all at the same time; theoretically you should have an instant failure on at least one. Of course that's not entirely accurate because that's based on overall wear, but you get the idea.

 That being said, one hard drive has all the unique information on it too, so unless you inted to do a true RAID set-up, you're taking a similar risk by running only one hard drive as you are running two....the total loss of all your information, it's just theoretically more likely with two of them. And we all know brand new stuff can fail instantly with no wear at all.

Offline Stone

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 01:00:04 AM »
Yeah, I backup any important stuff, so raid0 would be just for speed.

I have found some tests on the http://www. It seems that just a plain one disk system is as fast as raid in a home / game PC.

Maybe RAID needs alot of disk activity to make a difference? Like a file server or some 300MB TIF images etc.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 03:57:44 AM »
my PC runs RAID 1, 2 160 gig SATA HD's

the performance hit is so small, you don't even notice it..........originally was set up for RAID 0, until the first power outage and I did not have my Battery APU plugged up to the machine went to reboot and had windows crash on me, after that when ever power went out it would simply rebuild the mirrored drive to re-sync the 2, now with battery backup it does not require this be done......


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Offline Kev367th

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 08:26:43 AM »
Read performance on a RAID 0 or 1 system is almost identical.
Read operations read from both disks.

Write performance is faster on a RAID 0 than a RAID 1.
RAID 0 - Data is written once and spread over the two disks.
RAID 1 - Data is written twice, once to each disk.

Performance on a RAID disk can actually be slower than a standard setup  on home PC mobos.
Hard to replace the dedicated hardware functions of an add-in RAID card with a onboard chip that also uses software to run the RAID.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2006, 08:33:37 AM by Kev367th »
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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2006, 08:40:48 AM »
Yeah, RAID 1 would definetly be my choice. I am going to set up a RAID 1 configuration in the near future myself, that's why I bought the raptor. I just need more time to study up on my mobo's RAID likes & dislikes. I read about the RAID set-ups until I wanted to puke :D