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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2006, 04:59:44 PM »
All them parachute sports are based on farts:
  • paragliders fart to gain alt
  • skydivers make the most putrid farts in the plane (*) to have a good 'inscentive' to overcome fear and get out as quickly as possible when the door opens


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Seriously, paragliders and hang-gliders use updraft and thermals to gain alt. But Gh0stFT will explain all this much better than myself.


(*) no kidding. The combined effects of a healthy dose of fear and lower air pressure can do 'wonders' on your tubing... Some pilots never get used to it and keep *****ing about it on every load :lol
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2006, 08:14:18 PM »
There is a wonderful hill nearby where I live for just this perhaps.
Only some 300 feet. long and smooth and grassy and has been used quite a bit for RC gliders because of the upstream.
So, good for paragliding???
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2006, 08:47:52 PM »
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(*) no kidding. The combined effects of a healthy dose of fear and lower air pressure can do 'wonders' on your tubing... Some pilots never get used to it and keep *****ing about it on every load :lol


Hmm never had this problem when I flew jumpers.  Of course the door didn't actually 'seal' and there was plenty of air flowing about.

Flew with a guy in a Cirrus that once you got above 7000' (Common when flying over the mountains heading south from Ohio) he'd start burping like crazy.  It only took one trip for this guy to be required by me to have a flight's supply of gum at all times.

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2006, 09:40:05 PM »
Lovely pics Ghost.  I can't wait to get to the site this weekend and see about times, cost etc.

Ok a few questions:-

1. I have flown solo in fixed wing gliders so understand thermals, ridge lift, wave etc. and have found some of it pretty rough (rotor under wave particularly !)  What is the real risk of canopy collapse in turbulence and how good are modern canopies at re-inflating?

2. How far can you go with modern canopies ?? Glide ratio ??

3. Are the licensing standards transferable across countries ?

4. How long will a canopy last - I've heard 4-5 years before UV exposure makes it suspect. Inspections every year ??

Roll on Sunday

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2006, 12:33:53 AM »
iirc, in the US chutes have to be repacked professionally every 120 days if they sit that long.  
i assume there is some sort of inspection that goes along with the packing procedure, but i dont know much about it

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2006, 02:31:51 AM »
Debonair, this rule is for skydiving reserve parachutes, containers and harnesses.

The main canopy isn't subject to any regulation regarding packing, manufacturing or size as long as your reserve and harness have the TSO approval (there are different classes regarding exit weight and max deployment velocity). In fact, you could sew a canopy yourself and jump it perfectly legally if your reserve and rig are approved.

I don't know what are the rules for emergency rigs for pilots but I suspect that it goes along the same line.

I don't think that there are regulations of the same order for paragliders but I may be wrong.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2006, 03:35:28 AM »
Sparks - which glider types have you flown solo? If at a gliding club in the UK, which one?

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2006, 08:11:44 AM »
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2. How far can you go with modern canopies ?? Glide ratio ??

 


PPGs tend to average 6:1. Paragliders will be better since there's no drag from the motor, prop, & cage.

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2006, 02:16:26 PM »
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Ok a few questions:-

1. I have flown solo in fixed wing gliders so understand thermals, ridge lift, wave etc. and have found some of it pretty rough (rotor under wave particularly !)  What is the real risk of canopy collapse in turbulence and how good are modern canopies at re-inflating?

2. How far can you go with modern canopies ?? Glide ratio ??

3. Are the licensing standards transferable across countries ?

4. How long will a canopy last - I've heard 4-5 years before UV exposure makes it suspect. Inspections every year ??

Roll on Sunday


1.) First,  you will learn to judge meteorological conditions, you just dont
start and lets see what will happen. Flying Waves (Lenticularis) is a no no
for paragliders to many large scale turbulences, in Germany its forbidden to
fly in such weather conditions (Foehn). Wind is not wind, if you fly ridges
the air should be laminar, to much turbulences and you better land or stay
on ground. Its similar for flying thermals, they can be very strong turbulence,
you just dont enter it if you are not ready. Collapses happen, but usualy there
are instant re-inflating also. With the expirience you will learn to avoid
canopy collapses, we call it "active flying". And canopy is not canopy, there
are beginner canopys and others for Pro's. Beginner canopys can re-inflating
without any pilot input, the expert things need pilot reaction for re-inflating.

2.) modern canopys, (the Expert ones) have usualy a glide ratio of aprox 8:1
but like i said they need an expirienced pilot in difficult conditions, if you
are not interested in championships, its beyound me why fly a more difficult
thing if you can have a much more relaxed flying with just 6.5:1 or 7:1 glide ratio ;)

3.)The International Pilot Proficiency Information

4.) In Germany the inspections are made every 2 years. And how long does it take
until UV exposure makes it suspect depends on how often you are flying. Normaly
you can fly your paraglider without problems 6+ years, if its still in good condition
even longer. The reserve is ok for 10 years, after that you need to buy a new one.

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Ghost
 those are some great pics, but I dont get how it works? You just find a nice windy
spot or what?   Is it based on updrafts on how long you can fly?


When flying, you can actually soar like a bird taking advantage of rising air in the
form of thermals or ridge (wind) lift. Paragliders dynamically are closer akin to the
wings of a 747 than to a parachute. A parachutes purpose is to bring you down to the
ground slowly. The purpose of a paraglider is to go up higher into the air allowing
you to fly for hours at a time, covering miles of terrain, by utilizing the upward
movement of air to keep you afloat.


And Sparks, here is some fun movies from paragliding in california area: astocker

I hope you have a lot fun at Sunday! :D
We have bad weather right now, raining,
not even a chance for groundhandling *grmpf*

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2006, 12:52:54 AM »
Thanks Ghost, I'll post how I get on this weekend.

Beet - I flew at Yorkshire Gliding Club - Sutton Bank year ago .  Soloed Blanik, K8, Astir and Pegasus (once) then I ran out of money :). Was a really fun time.....

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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2006, 04:35:55 AM »
K8! That was a fun little wooden glider. Good for soaring but couldn't penetrate a 10 knot headwind! Astir - LOL, the poor man's "entry level" glass ship. I was in an Astir CS syndicate in 1985/86. I never did get to fly the Pegasus. People raved about it and said how much better it was than the Astir.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2006, 12:43:24 PM »
Hijacked my own thread LOL!  We called the Astir the "Concrete Swan" Training route at SB was Blanik - K8 - Pirat - Astir - Pegasus.  Someone crashed the Pirat so I missed out that one and did the Astir.  The pegasus was lovely but my one and only flight was one of re-learning speed control - "oops 65" "whoa 70" ......

All of that was 20+ years ago and I miss flying now but I don't want all that goes along with gliding - expensive aircraft, expensive aerotows, hangar or trailer spot, expensive club fees, days pulling gliders round the airfield ....

And power flying - I have to think if I can afford it therefore I can't :)

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2006, 03:52:48 PM »
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And power flying - I have to think if I can afford it therefore I can't :)


Just learn paragliding, and then you can try powered paragliding,
no hangar, no expensive aerotows, no expensive club fees ...
everything you need you can pack in the back of your car.
Hey and you dont even need thermals! to stay in air ;) but thats another story...
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2006, 10:53:37 AM »
Well did the investigation Sunday and decided against that particular school.  It has a good reputation by all accounts but I didn't feel good about it - various things (some of which I won't say here for fear of being sued :D ) but for instance - the site was REALLY crowded and the hanggliders weren't even flying - model  aircraft whizzing round your ears, sunday spectators all over the place. Also, if you join to have to sign a contract to say you will ONLY buy equipment from THEM.  If you want a make they don't sell they will get it in for you but on their terms.

So I'm looking for other schools.  Still want to fly though :)