Author Topic: The industrialization of China (Read 750 times)

BTW · « **on:** April 27, 2006, 09:22:49 PM »

A little over a year ago I posted I believed the biggest threat to the United States was not terrorism but the industrialization of China and competition for resources. I state it again and wonder how you feel about this as we can be pretty sure gas will be over 3 dollars a gallon forever - that is unless we somehow send China back to the stone age.

xrtoronto · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2006, 09:28:27 PM »

I saw a documentary on China only a couple weeks ago. I was very surprised to learn about how much has changed and in such short time.
Almost all of their skyscrappers are brand new (and I mean alot of them); their need for resources HUGE; their lack of any pollution controls in their industry is another big thing. The air from China is so bad that it is being picked up by sensors along the west coast of the USA in big numbers.

It's pretty disturbing what I saw in the documentary.

Suave · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2006, 09:29:06 PM »

If you have time, watch 4,5 and 6.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/

beet1e · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2006, 04:10:06 AM »

Yes, gas in the US will remain over $3. Those on this board who think that a change of administration, or some sort of windfall profits tax on the oil companies so that the money can somehow subsidise prices and pave the way for a return to the days of $2/gallon are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

As for China being the threat, I tend to think that America poses the greatest threat - to itself. In another thread, Rolex indicates that other countries like Sweden and Finland are making strides to become independent of oil, and that Japan has actually reduced oil consumption in the last 30 years. In Europe, energy costs are high and so we've always had to be energy efficient, so in countries like Austria and Italy, 60% of cars are powered by fuel efficient diesel engines and achieve 50/60mpg or more.

What is America doing to reduce its oil consumption?

Erm...

Fishu · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2006, 07:55:30 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
In another thread, Rolex indicates that other countries like Sweden and Finland are making strides to become independent of oil

You've been seriously misinformed - Finland is only taking steps backwards in the matter. Sweden on the other hand is ahead of the other european countries.
Our, finnish, government isn't doing crap to get rid of oil or to reduce pollution by traffic. Recently they forced gas producers to produce gas with 5% of ethanol or something equivelant, but they did NOT lower the gas tax in favor of it. Besides, they only did it because we're behind the schedule of some EU biogas recommendation or such. We also have high taxes on new cars, as if to make sure that there'll never be cleaner and more efficient cars around.

Sweden has done about everything in order to favor biogas and more efficient cars. IIRC they don't tax biogas.

However, USA has a long way to go - don't they use more resources than rest of the world put together?

mora · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2006, 08:17:52 AM »

I believe Beet1e meant the construction of nuclear power.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2006, 08:50:08 AM »

Soon, there will be a strong alliance of China, Russia and Iran.

Be worried, be VERY worried.

Kaw1000 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2006, 08:56:18 AM »

Goooo World economy!!! now I see why there are so many protest at world trade comission ...once again our goverment has done it again...guess our politcians are getting rich from all this!!

Kaw1000 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:00:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Kaw1000
Goooo World economy!!! now I see why there are so many protest at world trade comission ...once again our goverment has done it again...guess our politcians are getting rich from all this!!

China and russia are against stopping Iran from making nukes....I agree with ya on that statement china and russia are big threats

Eagler · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:08:04 AM »

we have no one to blame but ourselves ..

walk into any home and flip everything over and you'll see the root of the problem ..

eagl · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:20:41 AM »

Asian culture has so many metaphors for this exact situation, it's tragically funny.

One example... The willow. Bend before the storm. Practical application? The storm is the approaching oil price driven economic crisis. Bend before the storm, find a center of strength (alternative energy, tech, whatever) and position yourself for the storm aftermath.

Anything else is pure victim mentality. Victims die, survivors prosper.

Rolex · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:20:48 AM »

This will be the first time I have ever typed the word "Finland" in my life.

Come to think of it, I can't remember ever saying the word "Finland" out loud. I've read it my whole life, but never had a reason to say it.

Now I've typed it twice.

No offense intended to anyone from Finland.

Wow, I'm up to 3 times now!

I hope this clears up any confusion.

Kaw1000 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:28:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
we have no one to blame but ourselves ..

walk into any home and flip everything over and you'll see the root of the problem ..

Made In USA......USA CHINA......There is a town in china its called USA

Kaw1000 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:35:55 AM »

I saw on the news the other day that gas in china is a whopping $1.42

Jackal1 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2006, 09:48:08 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
What is America doing to reduce its oil consumption?

We are spending less time on the road and more time reading posts by the Englishman who`s envy shines like a beacon.

Why reduce it. Use it or lose it. Let the good times roll.
Fired up Old Brownie yesterday and listened to the sweet music of a good ole U.S. of A. V8 purring and rumbling. Nearly as sweet of sound as a good V Twin......................... nearly.

Went for a little blast down Pump Station Rd. Man it was good to let er unwind again.