Author Topic: what a shame .. (Read 814 times)

Eagler · « **on:** October 18, 2001, 10:14:00 AM »

..now my tax dollars will be spent keeping this scum alive.

Saudi Man Given Life Term for Kenya Bombing
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Mohamed Rashed Daoud al-'Owhali, a Saudi citizen, was sentenced on Thursday to life in prison without parole for his direct role in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.

Al-'Owhali, 24, was convicted by a Manhattan federal jury in May with three others for conspiring with Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) to kill Americans in a plot that included the bombings of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

Although al-'Owhali could have been sentenced to death, the jury was deadlocked on whether he should be executed. Because they could not agree, U.S. District Judge Leonard Sand was required under federal law to sentence him to life in prison.

mrfish · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »

maybe he was sad?

we should also shell out for counseling and group therapy. he probably just had a bad childhood. poor lil guy...

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2001, 10:51:00 AM »

You guys don't get it. The US is totally responsible.

See.. they had this GREAT civilization.. leadership in mathematics, science.. very advanced. Military power? They almost made it to Paris in 732 but they were turned back by Martel.

Unfortunately, that was "high tide". They had gloriously slain a lot of infidels but... Slowly, in fits and starts, Islam was pushed back.

By the mid-1100's, there were Christians occupying Islamic territory, including Jerusalem. By 1300, the Christians were pretty well pushed back out and the Euro's gave up on conquering the Holy Land. (I'm still working out how to blame this on the US 1000 years before it's creation, but I'll find a way.)

While the Euro's went on to evolving their societies, defining the "rights of man" (and woman), building bigger and better cities, etc., the Muslims didn't.

The stuck to their holy book with it's rules on how to run a 7th century society and treat women like slaves... and stuck with it for another 1300+ years.

As one recent article put it "And when contrasted with the success of Israel, Arab failures are even more humiliating. For all its flaws, out of the same desert Israel has created a functioning democracy, a modern society with an increasingly high-technology economy and thriving artistic and cultural life. Israel treats its 1m Arabs as second-class citizens, a disgrace on its democracy, yet it accords them more political rights and dignities than most Arab nations give to their own people. This is the tragedy of the Arab world."

... and so, in the end, this poor creature had no other option. He had to attack the US, the Great Satan that has "kept the Muslim man DOWN!"

Oh, wait... maybe they kept themselves down by not evolving beyond an unchanged 7th century religion that provided them with leadership either by dictatorial kings or dictatorial religious leaders?

Nah, no way.

Only thing left is to gloriously slay some more infidels and return to their proper place in the world. While keeping their women as slaves of course....

Ah, the good old days!

Hangtime · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »

Damn, Toad... nicely put.

The big question...

Was Martel French?

Toad · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2001, 11:16:00 AM »

Much as it must disappoint you Hang...

"Charles Martel
Charles Martel
Pronounced As: märtel [O.Fr.,=Charles the Hammer], 688?-741, Frankish ruler, illegitimate son of Pepin of Heristal and grandfather of Charlemagne. After the death of his father (714) he seized power in Austrasia from Pepin's widow, who was ruling as regent for her grandsons, and became mayor of the palace. He subsequently subdued the W Frankish kingdom of Neustria and began the reconquest of Burgundy, Aquitaine, and Provence. Charles Martel defeated the Spanish Muslims at the battle of Tours (732-33) and began the military campaigns that reestablished the Franks as the rulers of Gaul. Although he never assumed the title of king, he divided the Frankish lands, like a king, between his sons Pepin the Short and Carloman."

... as a side note:

"In 732 Abd-er-Rahman, Governor of Spain, crossed the Pyrenees at the head of an immense army, overcame Duke Eudes, and advanced as far as the Loire, pillaging and burning as he went. In October, 732, Charles met Abd-er-Rahman outside of Tours and defeated and slew him in a battle (the Battle of Poitiers) which must ever remain one of the great events in the history of the world, as upon its issue depended whether Christian Civilization should continue or Islam prevail throughout Europe. It was this battle, it is said, that gave Charles his name, Martel (Tudites) "The Hammer", because of the merciless way in which he smote the enemy."

No stand-ins for this guy; he was out front leading.

Why did we ever let that change?

Maverick · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2001, 12:27:00 PM »

Eagler,

Not to worry, You should know that "Bubba", that never diminishing fount of testosterone, is patiently waiting in his cell for his new "wife" Owhalla to arive. Honeymoon plans have been in the works for days. The new nuptual cell is prepared. "Soap is for sissies", according to "bubba".

Mav

1776 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2001, 12:57:00 PM »

This guy will prolly last 6 months before a shiv is shoved in his back and I bet noone will see a thing

NATEDOG · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2001, 12:59:00 PM »

They won't last a month...... when word gets out that they are with OBL, they will be beat down so fast..... lethal injection would be a walk in the park compaired to what they are gonna get. not to mention, untill they get killed in prison, they will be someones squeak.

Dowding · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »

If your holy book is the word of your god, why should it be changed?

Compare and contrast with the Christian bible, whose current content has been modified for political reasons for the last two thousand years. Perhaps most notably is the number of gospel accounts, which was decided for political expediency to suit the church hierarchy.

All religion is the same to me. The Koran is as good a read as the Bible, although I've only just started.

easymo · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2001, 01:17:00 PM »

I doubt if convicts treat their squeakes as bad as the tali ban treats their women.

[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]

Toad · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »

ummmm... maybe because if you use your _religion_ as your _political structure_

....then you need to adapt to a changing world? You know all that Science stuff and "rights of man" philosophical stuff?

Of course, might be easier NOT to use your religion as your politicial structure, you think?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »

Well Dowding, straying alittle off your mark, I work with an engineer here at Boeing that is one of my closest co-workers in 3 years. He's from Iran, came over in 1979 at age 18, after living in Iran and growing up with the Koran. All religion aside, he told us frankly this:

These Muslim Extremists hate ALL western society (This includes you Dowding)..they do NOT want to negotiate, sit down at a table and work things out, they only want to kill you. Plain and simple, you must die. Whatever means it takes, they will try to succeed. We must kill them before they kill us."

Our conversation was much deeper than this, we spoke of the Japanese suicide troops/fighter pilots/naval personal, he brought up some good points..."Those people had a sense of nationality, love of country, love of mother and father, and girlfriends that awaited them...these extremists have none of that, they hate women to the point that they rate lower than a dog, they have only one thing in mind, kill infidels, they are much more dangerous than the Japanese ever were because frankly, these folks are robots."

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »

I think reading the Koran will give you about as much insight on the Muslim terrorist as reading the Bible would give insight on an abortion doctor killer....

the message of most major religions is the same, it is man's interpretation that screws it up.

majic · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »

Eagler is absolutely correct. Its all about how one interprets God or Allah or whatever god or being they worship. I have not read the Koran, but I doubt it says anything about destroying all non-Muslims. But just like people here who purposely misinterpret the Bible (and even the Constitution) to further their own agendas, there are people over there who do too, and the weak minded will follow them.

Dowding · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »

Surely if your god (indirectly) handed this book of moral guidance to you, you should base your whole system of government around it? Afterall, surely an almighty deity would equip you with everything you needed to live until you were admitted to your afterlife? Also, why should there be any change to deal with?

Personally, I believe religion is a personal choice - religion defined as meaning 'way of life' - and should be independant of government.

Science hasn't exactly been embraced by religion. The two border on mutual exclusivity at times. Wasn't there a survey done in the US that looked at attitudes to the Christian creation story? The results showed that a significant proportion believed the literal version of Adam and Eve over Darwinism. I'm sure it's a similar story in other mainly Christian countries.

Of course, interpretation of religious text is and has been the biggest problem for millenia.

Ripsnort - I understand what you are saying. But being British and specifically English, if I walked into a certain pub, in a certain part of Belfast and ordered a drink, what do you reckon the outcome would be? Hatred is not something new. We have to deal with it as we have always dealt with it.