Author Topic: graphics/controller issue? (Read 790 times)

Bedsheet · « **on:** May 01, 2006, 09:14:10 AM »

Ok the second page of the clipboard that is visible in joystick settings and joystick select is never where is should be and currently it's rotating non stop around the hook at the top left of the clipboard. It is difficult to say the least to interact with this rotating page even if I could.
Also when I jump into the cockpit I imediately get a pair of messages not to move my controls so rapidly. As the engine spools up I start a slow left roll/turn until i'm spinning presumably as fast as my framerate allows, it looks nearly like a ball it's so fast when going to an outside view. This control issue exists whether or not I have my joystick plugged in OR mapped with the CM control Center. I use CH Products Pro USB Throttle and F-16 combatstick which is also USB.
Not sure what specs you need so i'll jsut post everything I know
Processor Athlon 64 4200+ X2
Ram 3GB
Video Dual ATi X1900 in Crossfiremode
Sound Blaster X-fi
MB Asus A8R32-MVP

If you need anything else let me know.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2006, 09:30:33 AM »

you have to disable one of the processors i believe .

Bedsheet · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2006, 10:01:33 AM »

I'll try that but it will be the only program that I would need to do that for since AMD patched thier drivers. will update in a moment.

Ok, that had no effect. Note my aircraft and artificial horizon are jumping and moving like crazy even sitting without the engine running on the ground. If I start the engines the view goes crazy. I'm not sure how to describe it, but imagine a top spinning on all 3 axis at once. now with the engine off it will calm down after a bit I can see down the runway even( looks great btw) but apparently i'm pulling back and to the left on the stick no controls respond and my aircraft is wobbling very fast side to side.

Docc · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2006, 11:39:56 AM »

Unplug your joystick, start up AH and see if everything is normal. If so....exit AH, install your joystick and drivers, CALIBRATE IN WINDOWS, then start AH and calibrate there

Bedsheet · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2006, 12:18:45 PM »

control issue exists whether or not I have my joystick plugged in OR mapped with the CM control Center

I'll add the calibration in windows works wonderfully. As does my control setup in IL-2, X-3, Battlefield series (1942, 2, veitnam), and so on a few others but you get the point.

Another point if info. When I click to select joystick and pick axis the respective axis all change numbers as they should when I move that repsective axis. None of the number in the window is moving when I am not touching my controls. Can not interact with the fold out page where you actually select joystick or mouse, and when it does manage to stop spinning it's usually behind the clipboard anyway.

I took some screen shots where should I send them? maybe they will be more helpful.
Hmm also note. I disabled Crossfire from my vid cards and it seems to have fixed the spinning air plane issue. However I am still having the control issue. The stick all the way left and the (throttle?) control in the P51 forward by left knee is moving back and forth very very fast. Also the fold out page on the clip board is still orbiting the eye hook.

Docc · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2006, 12:44:49 PM »

Sounds like a control trim problem.........what kind of controller are you using? I'm not an expert on this but its known that some controller software does not work with AH. When that is the case you have to use the AH interface to set up your controls.

Docc · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2006, 12:49:58 PM »

Sorry, just re-read your first post. Looks like the problem resides with the video card setup you have. If no one else can answer then I suggest you contact Skuzzy at HTC and ask his recommendation. Your technology is way beyond mine LOL.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2006, 01:51:11 PM »

My first thought would be a driver issue. ATI has been having some doozies with the new round of video cards.

Bedsheet · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2006, 12:41:48 AM »

Do you think maybe that the 2 issues are connected then? control issue AND graphics?

I'm using Catalyst 6.4.

Docc · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2006, 12:58:04 AM »

It's a video issue........with your joystick unplugged it still doesn't work so it's not a control issue.

Bedsheet · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2006, 01:00:26 AM »

Makes as much sense to me as anything. I did jsut get an email from the HTC tech guy. Hopefully we can get this sorted out

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2006, 02:29:11 PM »

If your controllers work in other games then it can only be a calibration issue. Only 3 things I have ever seen cause the described control problems.

1) Broken controller. Pinched wire or bad potentiometer or something putting out a constant signal when it shouldnt.

2) Loss of calibration. Try deleting the joystick configuration file in AH and see if it fixes when you recalibrate after entering the game again.

3) I noticed when using a USB adapter for my analog gear that I never could get a proper calibration. No matter what I did it would not stay calibrated. I'm guessing it was due to the way the USB adapter polled the stick, since it did not directly support my stick in any of it's configurations. Yours is true USB, but there could still be some kind of "noise" on the line.

The fact that it only happens in AH2 leads me to #2. If it was a physical or a "noise" problem on the line, you'd have input problems in other games too. You dont.

The video issue has to be unrelated. My best guess is still drivers.

Bedsheet · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2006, 03:00:29 PM »

No luck deleting the controllers, I even uninstalled all the software and started over. \
Also it is my understanding that USB devices aren't "calibrated" per se it's differnt.
Also USB ports normaly are powered and will power off when not being used so you will lose "calibration" when the port wakes up again, simply moving your controls to thier limits "re-calibrates" them. Finally, if this is the case, some calibration issue, then how/why would I have the same issue when the joysticks are uninstalled and unplugged? I'm really at a loss here, Note I did have the mouse set to fly a couple times and same effect. Remember in the joystick setup screen, where you choose axis and effect, those numbers properly reflect joystick /throttle/ and rudder position and aren't jumping around.
Maybe it is just a general hardware issue Motherboard USB port driver or some such?

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 02, 2006, 06:53:28 PM »

There are 2 different kinds of USB ports on a computer. Some "sleep" and others dont. There's usually a jumper to set that, but the default is power always on (at least for my motherboard, YMMV).

USB devices still calibrate. The only one I know of that was ever all digital was the Microsoft Sidewinder. The rest use pots just like an analog stick. The only difference between, say, a CH Fighterstick USB and a CH Fighterstick (analog) is that the USB one has a small circuit board inside with a chip on it that "talks" to the computer and identifies itself and sends movement info to the computer. The older analog ones dont have that little brain in there, and the computer has to actively "poll" the port the joystick plugs into to check for input. The guts of my analog CH gear are identical to their USB counterparts except for this circuit board.

Bedsheet · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2006, 08:59:48 PM »

I see. I have an ASUS A8R32-MVP, is there a way to find out though i'm almost 100% certain they sleep. For instance I iplay BF2 mostly now and usually when I first start my joystick is stuck in a corner somewhere and I simply have to move it to the four corners and all is well.