If you were the boss

[Mustaine]

at a small business that employees legal minorities of whatever race or creed, and they just no-showed to take part in a protest like today, what would you do?


me personally, I'd fire them.

I don't care what the cause, you just don't not go into work as a protest. thats called quitting in my mind. if some dumb protest is more important than going to work you are hurting your employer too.



I was just wondering in this case if you were the boss what would you do? say it is your own little family business, maybe 10 employees, and 2 don't show because of this?

in a similar situation, you are a manager in a large corporation, 50,000 emplyoees nationwide +... do you let this disruptive behavior procede, leave the door open to anyone just not showing up?

[indy007]

Depends on what the small business does. Is the guy a craftsman that cost you a few hundred dollars? Is he your top outside sales guy, that even missing a day, who puts $10,000 net in your pocket at the end of the month? Can they take existing business with them?

Unfortunately, owning a small business means sometimes your wallet (and by extension, your family & obligations) has to come before your view on a political matter.

Anyways, that's the other side of the coin.

[Ripsnort]

I'd consider that day closed for business. Have Donuts and coffee waiting for them the the next morning.  

An employee morally supported by their boss is a hard working employee.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'd consider that day closed for business. Have Donuts and coffee waiting for them the the next morning.  

An employee morally supported by their boss is a hard working employee.

LOL.. Don't you mean you would investigate the cost of that employee against the output and quality of their work, then decide if it would be better to outsource their job to an overseas worker who would do the same job cheaper, so that you could convince your boss and the share-holders that your saving them money and getting better quality?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Midnight
LOL.. Don't you mean you would investigate the cost of that employee against the output and quality of their work, then decide if it would be better to outsource their job to an overseas worker who would do the same job cheaper, so that you could convince your boss and the share-holders that your saving them money and getting better quality?

Possibly, since outsourcing creates MORE jobs[/b].

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Mustaine
at a small business that employees legal minorities of whatever race or creed, and they just no-showed to take part in a protest like today, what would you do?

Well, if their already leagal ... i am assumming you meant legal then they have no valid reason to protest for the rights of illegals.

Other than that, it is too difficult to say what one would do, because it would depend on how many workers didn't come to work, how important their work was to daily operations, and what the worker's employment history with the company was.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'd consider that day closed for business. Have Donuts and coffee waiting for them the the next morning.  

An employee morally supported by their boss is a hard working employee.

Ripsnort wins.


There's a Mexican restaurant here in town. The workers are not leaving work today, but the doors are closed and the store is not open to business in support of the marches. But, the employees are there and they're working... AND they are here legally.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Possibly, since outsourcing creates MORE jobs. [/B]

Rip... you must be one of the brain-washed corporate yes-men that believe that crap. Businesses that are trying to cut costs by sending $20/hr jobs over-seas are not all the sudden going to come up with NEW jobs to pay MORE money to the same American worker at the same standard or pay-range that they had prior to the original job getting out-sourced.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Midnight
Well, if their already leagal ... i am assumming you meant legal then they have no valid reason to protest for the rights of illegals.

Other than that, it is too difficult to say what one would do, because it would depend on how many workers didn't come to work, how important their work was to daily operations, and what the worker's employment history with the company was.

Yes legal, as in legalized citizens of the United States. Either immigrated, or born in, does not matter.

That’s basically the point of the question. The news media is telling these stories about business closing today because of employees not showing up.

Work history, quality of work, whatever, in my personal life that has never meant a free "get out of work" day. I have known people who have been fired for no-call no-show, both in small places like restaurants, and in the big global company I work for now.

I can say this, right now the client i work for loves me, my boss loves the work I do, I got a double bonus raise this year, and everything is great... but if I were to no-call no-show for anything other than a death of an immediate family member or my own death I’d be out on the street.

Us giving in to, and allowing behavior like this just promotes inequalities and skewed views of the workplace and the workforce.

It’s kind of like the tattle tale little brother syndrome sadly, but i ask why should they get away with this when I can't?

If "changes" are made because of this kind of protest, what will it encourage in the future? Will these people ever be a consistent contributor to the workforce?

Today’s world seems to be the ultimate reality of “no consequences for your actions”. It saddens me what society has become sometimes.

[ChickenHawk]

In most places I've worked, if you don't show up and you don't call in and give a valid reason for not being there, your fired on the spot.  No questions.

But on the other hand, if the employees have vacation days available and they go through proper channels to get the day off, then they can do whatever they want on their own time, whether you agree with it or not.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by ChickenHawk
In most places I've worked, if you don't show up and you don't call in and give a valid reason for not being there, your fired on the spot.  No questions.

But on the other hand, if the employees have vacation days available and they go through proper channels to get the day off, then they can do whatever they want on their own time, whether you agree with it or not.

exactly, i have no problem with that. their day off, fine....


what i am talking about is the thoughts that i had reading the headline "Immigrants walk off jobs in boycott"

I am talking about a concious decision to ignore your job, as part of the "protest"

grounds for termination immediatly IMHO.

[ChickenHawk]

Originally posted by Mustaine
exactly, i have no problem with that. their day off, fine....


what i am talking about is the thoughts that i had reading the headline "Immigrants walk off jobs in boycott"

I am talking about a concious decision to ignore your job, as part of the "protest"

grounds for termination immediatly IMHO.

Agreed.  You walk off the job, don't ever come back.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Mustaine
exactly, i have no problem with that. their day off, fine....


what i am talking about is the thoughts that i had reading the headline "Immigrants walk off jobs in boycott"

I am talking about a concious decision to ignore your job, as part of the "protest"

grounds for termination immediatly IMHO.

Agreed. They contracted to work x number of hours on y schedule for z amount of salary. No work, no pay and no valid excuse for missing work, no job. Attending a protest rally to boycott a job is not a valid reason. You protest on your time, not the companies.

[Meatwad]

They would be fired and then replaced with actual americans



What would happen if all us real americans decided to not work/shop, etc for a day in protest for DEPORTING illegals. Something may get done then

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Midnight
Rip... you must be one of the brain-washed corporate yes-men that believe that crap. Businesses that are trying to cut costs by sending $20/hr jobs over-seas are not all the sudden going to come up with NEW jobs to pay MORE money to the same American worker at the same standard or pay-range that they had prior to the original job getting out-sourced.

Midnight, you must be one of the brain-washed over-paid union types that claim you're not getting paid enough yet produce much less than your European counter-parts. I'm guessing you didn't even read that article, did you Midnight?

Seriously, speaking in my little world of outsourcing, we couldn't hire qualified personal fast enough to test the applications we support. By outsourcing that work when our plate got full, we filled the niche AND hired more people to manage those contractors we outsourced to.  In other words, we not only have been making schedule on our ever-increasing test schedules, but we're creating more jobs both overseas and here in the U.S.  The other option was to put buggy software into engineering production.

Another big problem in our department is, folks usually use our group as a way point onto other jobs due to the Tedious , repetitiousness of testing software applications. Frankly, people get bored. We pay good money to do this job, but pretty soon one gets real bored (thus my transition to PM).