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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2006, 03:47:07 PM »
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The whole idea of a maffiosi having existential problems and regularly visiting a shrink is already beyond ghey.

It was funny in 'analyse this'...it is painful to watch in the Sopranos. This show is not better than the avg drama soap for wimin.....


Sopranos had the premise first though. First episode was January 1999. Analyze this was released in March same year.
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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2006, 03:58:02 PM »
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They only have a few cards left in the deck (cannibal gangster anyone?)  


Anything like a cannibal pygmy SG?

Two warriors from a cannalbilistic pygmy tribe nabbed an unsuspecting adventurer. They took their catch to the communal pot, built a fire and prepared their feast.
After digging in on their meal the 1st pygmy asked the second  " How you doing over there?"
Second pygmy responded with.."Oh man, I`m having a ball"
1st pygmy said.."Well slow down. You are eating too fast.". :D
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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2006, 05:13:07 PM »
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Gun,

I understand your concern, but getting upset about one manifestation of immoral behavior on a series devoted to people doing immoral things doesn't seem all that coherent to me. If I can use a crass analogy, its rather like being in a cesspool and claiming that one poo in particular is making the whole place stink.

Besides, its unfortunately part of the law of diminishing returns. The Sopranos audience has been fed a steady diet of violence, rape, killing, sadism, mutilation, lies, betrayal, adultery, nudity, perversion, fornication, foul language, and the like. If one continues to merely give them more of the same, eventually the shock value begins to wear off, they get numb, and then they get bored, and so to "shock" them some more you have to introduce something new, break yet another traditional taboo, push the envelope a little further (although there is precious little envelope left.) They only have a few cards left in the deck (cannibal gangster anyone?) but you can expect most of them to get played before the series is through.

Anyway, once the initial barriers go down and a society becomes innured to decadence, there really is no way to say "this far and no farther," suddenly introducing standards when you've blown up the entire concept becomes ludicrous (or Ludacris if we are talking musik).

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Leave it to the preacher to ruin a good rant based on a sound moral high ground argument.  ;) :aok

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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2006, 07:54:29 PM »
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You really should stop watching that japanime porn stuff.  ;)

NEVAR!  Or at least not until I've finished the Mecha Hentai Bukakke Tentacle Rape Series.
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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2006, 08:09:41 PM »
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omg teh g4y is c0m1ng!!!  

RUN!!


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Not true, I have it on VERY good authority that there are, in fact, gay atheletes! Even in football and baseball. I bet there are gay stock brokers too!  teh g4y is coming, run!



Things that make you go Hmmmm. I wonder if it's already here........
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2006, 01:39:14 AM »
The show has gone soft, the whole broke back gumba things is just annoying and un-gangster.

Maybe they're trying to clown the real mob in some Freudian way.

At least Huff is still great as always.

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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2006, 01:48:09 AM »
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Leave it to the preacher to ruin a good rant based on a sound moral high ground argument.  ;) :aok


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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2006, 08:33:04 AM »
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Besides, its unfortunately part of the law of diminishing returns. The Sopranos audience has been fed a steady diet of violence, rape, killing, sadism, mutilation, lies, betrayal, adultery, nudity, perversion, fornication, foul language, and the like. If one continues to merely give them more of the same, eventually the shock value begins to wear off, they get numb, and then they get bored, and so to "shock" them some more you have to introduce something new


Gotta disagree. I like The Sopranos, and its never been about shock value. Its about re-living memories of the sinful ways of my youth, with the attendant warm/fuzzy way that makes me feel :t

I'm not outraged or anything like that about this season, but I'm getting tired of waiting for the boyz to find Vito and whack him in some gruesome way. The show needs to return to its strengths :D

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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2006, 10:31:13 AM »
Hi Culero,

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Gotta disagree. I like The Sopranos, and its never been about shock value. Its about re-living memories of the sinful ways of my youth, with the attendant warm/fuzzy way that makes me feel :t
 


Actually even the cast, producers, and writers have written about consciously using images and events to "shock" the audience. For instance, there was a lot of discussion about how graphic the rape scene involving "Dr. Melfi" was and there was a perception especially amongst critics that they had "gone too far," so the response was to tone down the violence and add more plot line the next season. The response to the "kinder, gentler" season was uniformly negative -- "someone needs to get whacked!" said the viewers. Accordingly the menu was once again changed, to suit the viewer's jaded palate.

Now don't get me wrong, nobody is saying that the Sopranos is just about shocking the audience with graphic images and language, obviously its well acted, the characters are interesting and well developed, and with a few rare exceptions the plotlines are well constructed. What people are noting however is that at one time, a show like the Sopranos would have been universally villified. Not only because it dwells on that which is low, base, carnal, and depraved about people, but because the show itself is uniformly amoral in its presentation of these elements. These are things that are not good or bad, they just are. The show is one long presentation of is and whenever ought comes up, it is almost always subjective, baseless, and hypocritical. If there is any "ought" at all, the audience is lead to conclusions that cut across the grain of any coherent ethical system. Big Puss needs to get whacked because he betrayed his friends by helping the police and he could get our anti-hero, Tony, whom we like, in trouble. We make this decision without considering that we are actually saying Big Puss needs to be brutally murdered because he was helping law enforcement to shut down an illegal racket. It's akin to rooting for a mass murdering drug lord like Pablo Escobar instead of the police.

We buy this criminal anti-ethic because we are encouraged to pretend we are friends of the anti-hero, but we don't stop to consider what the universal application of such a system to society would look like or if we would actually fare very well under it.  

I don't often quote Bill Buckley, mostly because I find his writing style to be absurdly pretentious, but he got it mostly right when he wrote the following about the Sopranos way back in 2001:

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The experience (not new; I had seen most of Year One) was instructive for technical and artistic reasons (the program is justly acclaimed for polish, ingenuity, and superlative acting), but is most interesting in its confirmation of the psychological depravity of the viewing audience. They see it (we see it) because of its shock value as exhibitionistic entertainment, but the question arises: Does it tell us more about the awful human behavior, or about the disposition to transform depictions of it into rip-roaring entertainment?
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The wonder isn't that The Sopranos is so marvelously conceived and executed, but that it is so widely viewed and enjoyed without any hint of concern over the depravity it relies upon. A search of newspaper notices given to it on the opening of its third season (my search was not exhaustive, but not tailored either) reveals not one question, let alone reproach, on the matter of the arrant exploitation of sex, exhibitionism, murder, sadism, cynicism, and hypocrisy. ... And we wonder about public indifference to crime and lechery and workaday infamy.


BTW - click here for a look at what the Sopranos would look like without the offensive elements
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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2006, 06:40:55 PM »
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Hi Culero,

 

Actually even the cast, producers, and writers have written about consciously using images and events to "shock" the audience.
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LOL Seagoon :)

I meant that *I* am not shocked by any of it....I agree its meant to shock...

culero (sorry you misunderstood and went to all that work ;))

PS - thanks for the link, got some laffs there :D
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