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Offline Stoney74

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Why The Zig Zag Performance Charts?
« on: May 07, 2006, 02:32:02 AM »
If I look at speed and climb charts, what explains the zig-zag performance?  I'm assuming it had something to do with boost ratings from the super/turbo chargers?  I'm guessing you could only use some boost ratings at certain altitudes...

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Why The Zig Zag Performance Charts?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2006, 03:28:21 AM »
Basically, some planes just have "sweet spots" where they do very well.  Some have altitudes that aren't so hot too...  Sometimes these are right next to each other like a sandwhich for reasons someone else is going to have to cover with the technical junk.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2006, 04:57:38 AM »
yeah it's just due to the performance of the engine at different altitudes. the higher up you go, the colder it is and the less air, so you can go faster up there because of less air resistance but you need to design the engine to work at these high altitudes, and engines designed for flying very high often dont perform too well down low.

superchargers also play a part :aok

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Why The Zig Zag Performance Charts?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2006, 05:22:46 AM »
There are supercharged engines and turbocharged.

Engine performance for a specific engine depends on rpm, fuel, air temperature at intake, pressure at intake, auxiliary devices it has to power besides the airscrew. We consider you dont change fuel during flight (other than maybe using additivas for WEP). On both, super- and turbocharged engines air pressure at intake is produced by the chargers of the engine, since most aircraft engines are charged. Air temperature is related to outside air temp, how much it is charged and how good the air cooler is (it heats up during compression). The engine has a max. possible pressure at intake, if you put in higher pressure the engine breaks.

So there is a max intake pressure which you can generate with the charger, it is much higher than the pressure that would be there without charger.

Turbocharged, the exhaust drives a turbine which compresses the air that is used to feed the engine. Since at higher altitude the air pressure is lower, the turbine which relys on the difference between pressure of exhaust and outside pressure works better. This is good because it has to compress the outside air more to keep the same pressure at engine intake. This makes turbo charged aircraft have a rather smooth performance.

In a supercharged engine the engine drives a charger directly, which costs some performance but needs a much smaller charger than turbo. The problem is that the supercharger delivers air pressure proportional to the outside airpressure, so it drops with altitude. This is counterd by using a "to big" supercharger and waisting excess pressure, so the charger can hold the max allowable pressure for the engine for some altitude. But above that the pressure drops since the charger can no longer deliver enough air to the engine. That is the point where you see the "zag" in the performance and the climb performance drops above this point, because engine power drops significantly.

Now this is counterd by 2 or 3 gear superchargers. Once the air pressure dropped enough that the next higher supercharger gear does not overpressure the engine you can shift up supercharger and get better performance then. AFAIK most WW2 planes that had multigear superchargers were shifted manually, so from a certain alt on the pilot was allowed to use a higher charger gear (mostly being no charger (n), first gear (1) and 2nd gear (2)). Not sure if some planes had automatic there.


Now with supercharger you get a zig-zag engine performance which leads to a zig-zag plane performance. On top you get less air resistance higher up and higher engine performance with colder air, which leads to curves in the zig-zag. Now depending on individual plane its either more curved or more sharp, also you can see 1 zag, 2 zag, 3 zag or no zag (Turbo). P47 no zags, Tempest 2 zags. Since the performance charts only show the relevant speeds they have all different scaling in x axis, which makes it look a bit strange sometimes.

(Sorry on accident wrote on wrong comp this wotp (wall of text post) is from schutt)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2006, 06:06:05 AM by Schatzi »
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2006, 09:15:42 AM »
In SIMPLE terms:

With increasing altitude, air density decreases. Now this has a effect on reducing the aircraft's drag. But it also reduces the lift that can be generated and thus also the propellers performance. the air density (and pressure).variation affects the engine performance also (explained above by Schatzi)
The zig-zagging of the charts is purely due to which factor overwhelms the others. For example upto a certain altitude the drag reduction is more than the engine performnce degradation, so the aircraft can fly faster. At, maybe  higher altitudes the drag reduction isnt as much as the engines performance dropping off. So the plane now can not fly faster.

ZIG and ZAG.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2006, 09:20:45 AM by Hazard69 »
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Why The Zig Zag Performance Charts?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2006, 09:50:09 AM »
See Rule #2
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2006, 10:24:10 AM »
Thanks for the replies...except for the dog ball licking thing.  I already knew the answer to that one...