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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #150 on: May 15, 2006, 12:07:12 PM »
Hehe guy guys are arguing the same side .
Mars is just not as PC about it.




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« Reply #151 on: May 15, 2006, 12:20:28 PM »
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Whether you see it or not, it's all the same problem; and it affects furballers and BnZ'ers the same. The game system rewards certain achievments, and players have found the paths of least resistence to these. (... back on topic ... amazing, huh?) The guy who wades into a furball in a 110G and face-shoots everything in sight is the same as the cherry-picker, or the La-7 runway vultch-tard. They're all after the same thing, just using different optimizations to reach that end. And when you get more people doing these kinds of things than not, well, you see what happens every night in the MA.


I agree with this DOK -

On the rest, I think Bronk hit the nail on the head.  

I do see it from all sides, I've flown most styles and have fought against most em too and that is why I may seem to you as one sided and narrow minded.  And Laz is so old he hasn't seen most he's seen em all. :D

In the end we are all birds of the same feather or we wouldn't be shooting things in WWII circa aircraft.  Yeah we may rib and poke each other, but that doesn't mean we don't give a dam.  

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« Reply #152 on: May 15, 2006, 12:26:29 PM »
GV DWEEBS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #153 on: May 15, 2006, 12:50:00 PM »
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I agree with this DOK -

On the rest, I think Bronk hit the nail on the head.  

I do see it from all sides, I've flown most styles and have fought against most em too and that is why I may seem to you as one sided and narrow minded.  And Laz is so old he hasn't seen most he's seen em all. :D

In the end we are all birds of the same feather or we wouldn't be shooting things in WWII circa aircraft.  Yeah we may rib and poke each other, but that doesn't mean we don't give a dam.  


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« Reply #154 on: May 15, 2006, 02:09:52 PM »
yep... that's all well and good but their ain't no saints in here and no one here is immune from having their covers yanked no matter how much of a self appointed icon they may think they are..

bottom line.... if you fly a late war fast plane you are doing it because of the obvious advantage that it gives you.   There is nothing wrong with this... I ain't payin anyones bill and there is no rule against it.   It is there so that new guys can have some hope of winning and so that people who are overly concerned about rank and score can have an efficient tool to achieve that goal... an advantage.

having all the planes in the same arena is also the very best way to have variety and choice.... just.... let's not kid ourselves about what we are doing when we choose the rides we choose.   If you choose "fast and big guns" you are no more or less gamey than the guy who lowers his visor and HO's... both are allowed and you don't pay the HO or horde warriors bill either...

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« Reply #155 on: May 15, 2006, 02:21:32 PM »
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yep... that's all well and good but their ain't no saints in here and no one here is immune from having their covers yanked no matter how much of a self appointed icon they may think they are..
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« Reply #156 on: May 15, 2006, 02:50:30 PM »
Lazs...

SRI, it's been over a decade since I cared about anyone's score in these games....much less my own. :) My point was that you participate in one facet of a multi-faceted game and then chose to expound on the other facets. Once again, sorry if this offends you, looking at scores and then making pronouncements is at best an inaccurate generalization. At worst, it's simply wrong. I have seen every fighter in the game used to do what your are talking about, not just the late war birds. Look, what I am trying to say is that your generalization is the same as some one saying that all German planes only HO. (...and yah, seen that one :D) That is, of course, silly.

BTW, I fly the birds I do so that I'm not at a disadvantage....not the other way around. :)
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« Reply #157 on: May 16, 2006, 08:05:34 AM »
heh gonzo.... bite me too tough guy.  And you know where you can hide your trademark.  Old guy fight... might be fun... might be worth going to the con to see you work yourself up to it.   Bring your nurse.   I'll bring mine.

nb... talk about your semantics....  you aren't flying late war planes to have an advantage...  just to not be at a disadvantage..

OK.. I'll buy it... maybe a little more than semantics...  If you believe what you just said tho then you are saying that my premise is correct... that the late war guys are fighting you if you get into an early war ride...

Guess what tho.... You are one of the ones to blame.   If you make fields that are more than the minimum apart (3/4 sector?)  then you are creating or at least fostering the problem.

please don't say bite me... I don't think I could take another old guy wanting a piece of me.... course... better than a young guy I suppose...

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« Reply #158 on: May 16, 2006, 10:28:51 AM »
Lazs, I can't make the Con' this year. But if I could I doubt I'd even waste the time to say hello to you. At times you show great wit and insight, but more often than not you're a broken record.

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« Reply #159 on: May 16, 2006, 10:35:24 AM »
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At times you show great wit and insight, but more often than not you're a broken record.


 Dok, you just summed up the entire group of people who post on these BBS in one statement, me & you included.

 Gotta love it every now & then.:t

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« Reply #160 on: May 16, 2006, 10:53:25 AM »
HAHAHAHA

Cmon you two, his whole response was so tounge and cheek with a dose of ribbing.

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please don't say bite me... I don't think I could take another old guy wanting a piece of me.... course... better than a young guy I suppose...


Don't take this crap so seriousely and the BBs become incredibly entertaining, with some insight, and a whole lot of fun.

When you lean on the BBs to be a seriouse place for only the most seriouse topics, with no fun and ribbing then you lose what little these things offer.

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« Reply #161 on: May 16, 2006, 01:37:54 PM »
Lazs...

What is this "semantics" business? You make a generalization based on limited data and then try to state it is just semantics?? You sure you aren't a politician? You do seem to have mastered the fine art of obfuscation. :D

As for me being part of the "problem", take your "infinity sux" whine and put it where the sun don't shine. If HT didn't want it...it wouldn't be in the rotation.

Well, since you have asked that I not tell you to "bite me", how does consume fecal matter and expire work for you? :lol
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« Reply #162 on: May 16, 2006, 02:05:11 PM »
i like trinity.  beautiful graphics.  might be my favorite.

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« Reply #163 on: May 16, 2006, 02:20:28 PM »
gonzo... if you ever see me go ahead and ignore me or say hi... your descretion..  You want to come up and be a tough guy... even better.  I would probly say hi to you but I got to admit that in the back of my mind I would be fighting the urge to dismiss you as simply being a boring blowhard.   You might not really be one in person...  allways best to give a guy a chance.

NB... the semantics end of it is obvious... you said that you don't fly late war planes to be at an advantage but fly then to not be at a disadvantage....  I think a case could be made for that being simple semantics..

It also proves my point... certain maps encourage late war planes by.... making it more of a disadvantage to fly early slow planes.... I do not see how you could be honest and not agree that if you make the fields closer together then it will take some of the disadvantage for early war planes away and/or  encourage thier use and furballs.... conversely... If you make the fields far apart like on infinity..... you encourage another type of behavior and plane choice.

While I have no problem with infinitys terrain or visuals.... the fields are as badly arranged as I have seen on any map unless of course..... you have given up and only fly late war planes.  It could go from the worst map to the best pretty simply.

And... I will be glad to join you in a meal of fecal matter while we wait for each other to expire if you so wish.

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« Reply #164 on: May 16, 2006, 02:37:28 PM »
Ooooh...now I see!:O

You were talking about something new to avoid talking about what started our discussion. No problem. :)

As for the field layout, efforts were made to improve that situation. Most agreed that what was done did improve things (except you :eek: surprise).

As for the offer of dinner, while I appreciate the offer.... the menu isn't really to my liking. Feel free to go ahead without me. :)

Hap...

Glad you like it. If I can motivate myself at the Con, I will get Nate and Jon to show me the inner workings of the tile editor. Something besides the default tiles would really help the visuals.
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