Diversity Training

[mietla]

Originally posted by Mickey1992:
It's just a way for the corporation to cover their bellybutton so when some idiot screws up, the company can say; "It's not our fault, every employee goes through sensitivity training."

Do those morons pushing this crap really think that there is a single person who takes this "training" and walks out with a revelation...

"You mean blacks are really human? I did not know that. Thank you for letting me know"

... and then changes his wicked ways?

[Yoj]

Originally posted by miko2d:

Such stupid and uneducated people are rarely in a position of power and authority anyway, so they cannot really affect women's chance of advancement anyway.

Miko you're much more of an optimist than I am.  I think its gotten a lot better than it was, say, a generation back.  But I think the reason women see advancement on merit now is that they can raise a real stink about it with some legal backing.  And the fact remains that women are still paid less for doing the same work more often than not.  

I think the folks here may disagree on whether the intent is valuable, but we all pretty much agree that forced diversity training is not worth much.

[Saintaw]

Did ya keep it ?
Maybe, you could scan it for us  

Saw

[capt. apathy]

Originally posted by miko2d:

Such stupid and uneducated people are rarely in a position of power and authority anyway, so they cannot really affect women's chance of advancement anyway.  

Man where do you work?
Most people I know think of the work place as a septic tank with the turds floating to the top. In the modern American work place the ability to kiss-ass and pass a piss test are much more important than trivial things like competence or intellect.

[mietla]

Originally posted by capt. apathy:


Man where do you work?
Most people I know think of the work place as a septic tank with the turds floating to the top. In the modern American work place the ability to kiss-ass and pass a piss test are much more important than trivial things like competence or intellect.

Where do YOU work?

All my professional life I was surrounded by most qualified and diligent people I could imagine. I have never, ever seen an undeserved promotion or anyone kissing someone else's butt.

[mrfish]

Originally posted by mietla:


All my professional life I was surrounded by most qualified and diligent people I could imagine. I have never, ever seen an undeserved promotion or anyone kissing someone else's butt.

is that sarcasm?   i've never worked anywhere that wasn't a pit of vipers.

[capt. apathy]

Where do YOU work?

All my professional life I was surrounded by most qualified and diligent people I could imagine. I have never, ever seen an undeserved promotion or anyone kissing someone else's butt.

 

Man I need to get me one of them jobs.
 How long have you been in the work force?
  In the last 20 years I’ve worked many places and in many types of business from office work to construction. Let me tell you if you've got a job where you see nobody getting an undeserved promotion, no ass-kissing, nobody’s nephew or son-in-law running a department he knows nothing about, nobody being overlooked for promotion he deserves because he doesn't go drinking or golfing with the 'in crowed', no incompetent given a promotion or job to meet a quota, and your boss knows what he's doing or has the sense to admit he needs help when he doesn't. (And you have been there long enough and pay attention well enough to even recognize these things when you see them) then hold on to that job with both hands 'cause buddy you found the Promised Land.

[mietla]

25 years, 20 of them in the US. I am an software engineer and most of those years I've spent working for small startups. They just can't afford incompetence. Everybody has to carry his load, the competence is immediately visible.

It takes a 5 minute interview to determine if the applicant is full of yogurt, and you just don;t hire him.

I can imagine a government job though, and obviously I've heard my share of horror stories.

[AKDejaVu]

I've seen quite a bit of promotion based on merit where I work.  There is actually a "good-ol-boys network" in a few of the groups... and some people are jealous of it... right up until they realize that it is a group of stagnent engineers that haven't really contributed much for 10 years.  They usually blow by them after their first year.

AKDejaVu

[AKSWulfe]

I work for the government...

Kissing ass, incompetence and complete lack of intelligence appear to be the key words the government looks for in someone's resume.
-SW

[mietla]

Incompetent people promoted beyond their abilities are obedient and follow the orders.

A competent, bright and honest professional is most difficult to control by pencil pushers.

[miko2d]

In every large organisation, punishment for failure exceeds reward for risk. So action and innovation become exception rather then rule. In that case abilities of people are not important and not used. Once advancement and compensatio are not related to personal abilities, it is illogical to demand "fairness" in it. If you want to be compensated for your ability, go where it is needed. That means go where there is growth, change, risk.
 A person who chose to go working for a large bank has no business demanding anything bacause he/she can be replaced by a less competent person with no problem (to people responcible for operation). In best case your immediate boss may value you but not have financial authority to reward you.

 You want to work for the boss who is the owner so he/she can pay you without anyone's approval. If your boss to depends on you and knows it, you won't have traouble with fairness.
 But you have to share the risk with the boss - if the business does not work out, you both suffer.

 miko

[Animal]

That toejam only happens in the states I guess.

There is no such training in here. Only prejudice ive seen is towards women, homosexuals and retards.

I have never experienced heavy racism in here. I am a black/latin american, 80% of my friends are white (contrary to popular belief, there are more white people where I live). Lots of tolerance here. In fact, ive never had a girlfriend of my own race, all of them have been white (the one I'm going out with now is REALLY white, very irish   )

Its that way here because the way kids are raised here. There are no different "groups". You never see blacks with blacks, whites with whites, etc. here in PR. NEVER. people just dont care.

However, I'm sure that if I move to the states, I'm gonna have to get used to a few changes.

I consider racists both the white racist, and the black person who has no tolerance towards whites and call all of THEM racists.

This training has nothing to do with changing peoples minds. Its just a "get out of court FREE" card for your company.