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[jaxxo]

everyone cherrypicks at some point...however basing your whole flying style around using another as bait is what bothers me..now there is a big difference between that and wingman tactics...the true cherrypicker will never be the bait, and doesnt even  tell you hes gonna allow you to engage while he makes 400 mph cannon passes on the con your fighting..normally you will be floating down alongside your opponent after the fight while the picker zoom climbs back up to 15k


a few definitions

"Cherry Picker (slang/noun) – A one-way player who simply waits for a pass near center in the hopes of getting a breakaway instead of helping on defense. He’s a no talent cherry picker who gets all his scoring chances by waiting outside the blue line for a breakaway"  

from the urban dictionary...
"a person who sits in the back court by the basket waiting for an outlet pass on a change of possession, enabling them to score easily before any defenders can reach them.
The origins of this term may come from the notion of "cherry picking" as attempting, or picking, only those things that are easily obtained, or only what suits your taste best, as a cherry might."

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by asilvia
Ok what exactly is considered cherry picking?????? When flying in FT I see a friendly with 1-3 enemy on thier 6, I call out a check 6 and tell them I am trying to come in. Normally I try to sideswipe the group and get them to break off the friendly and sometimes(use it loosly since I am still horrible at flying) get a kill. Is this considered cherry picking or helping out a friendly????

Good point ... some may call or think that is cherry-picking, but I wouldn't call it that.

There are those that do go to FT and circle above the fray waiting for an enemy to get slow (while already engaged), swoop down, kill the target (thinking that they just did you a favor), and zoom back up to the perch and do it all over again. Thats is cherry-picking.

For some reason, when buff formations are in the area, my framerate chits the bed, so as much as I love the premise of FT ... I can't fly there ... framerates go down the tubes and thats not a good thing in the FT furball.

If HT would implement Dok's ideas, FT could only get better (and maybe I could fly there). If it doesn't work out, it would be simple to put things back to what they are now ... it really would be no sweat of HTC's back to at least try it.

[DoKGonZo]

Bronk ... for now that's all you can do. But lets not kid ourselves about why *other* people are doing it, OK?


Cherry Picking ... yeah, I think we're basically talking about the Lone Gunman type who never drags for anyone else, doesn't give check-6's (cuz that may ruin his shot - and usually hollers like mad when he don't get check-6 calls), and is always the "last man in."

Your more experienced players know when they're dragging and announce it on local VOX, and other experienced players respond accordingly. When you get 2 or 3 good people using team tactics like that it's a lot of fun, and everyone has their turn in the barrel roping dweebs for the others.


Bomber formations just kill frame rate for me too.

I think things in FT have degraded to a point where its justified to make changes. FT isn't FT - it's a compressed version of everything bad everywhere else on the map.  For its intended purpose, there's no need for bombers or ord or troops. And for an area that small there's no need for late war planes - especially when the early war planes see almost no use in the MA.

[Bronk]

Dok  I could't agree more with your last post.


Ohh and

everyone has their turn in the barrel

Now thats just plain funny.




Bronk

[Urchin]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
For its intended purpose, there's no need for bombers or ord or troops. And for an area that small there's no need for late war planes - especially when the early war planes see almost no use in the MA.

I agree with this.  An early plane area would be great, and I'm sure that enough people just want to fight that they'd even do it in early war planes (as long as one of them has hizookas.. so the Spit I is to early).

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Bronk

    everyone has their turn in the barrel

Now thats just plain funny.
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Everyone should try to be a master baiter.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Urchin
I agree with this.  An early plane area would be great, and I'm sure that enough people just want to fight that they'd even do it in early war planes (as long as one of them has hizookas.. so the Spit I is to early).

Just lop it off somewhere 'round '42 some time - Spit V v. 190A5 v. 109F time frame. US would be stuck with the P38G, F4F line, and P40's - maybe get generous and allow the P47D-11 in as a counter to the 190A5 up high. Japan would have the Zeke - which should outperform the Spit5 and Hurri2. La-5 would fit in and keep the 190's honest below 10K. C202 and C205 would be in. So you're looking at like 12-15 planes to pick from. Which should be plenty.

[lazs2]

several years ago I had asked for an early war area like FT.

I am not sure that a pure date thing would work tho... it would probly have to be based on performance.   Speed climb... that sort of thing... a c202 would be a good early war area plane say.  A 109 E would but not a 190 say.

If you allowed one plane, regardless of date to have a huge cannon load and a 30 mph speed advantage you would have an even more limitied useful plane set.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[DoKGonZo]

The 190A5 really only has 2 useful cannons. The MG-FF's in the outer wings aren't worth the extra weight. Basically the same guns as a C205. The Hurri II would be the cannon monster.

[Hajo]

D11 would fit as DoK stated.  A6m2 &5, P40E.....F4s    C202 &205,  Let the Spit9 be included with the 190A5......109E,F & G2, 110C etc.  No Bombers, no ord at fields....and Isolate FT from rest of arena.  Omit 1944 aircraft and be selective on the 1943 set.  Could be done.

I myself would love FT but for the vulching, jabos, divebombing buffs and the hordes within a confined space.  Not much different from the MA at the current status.

[hubsonfire]

My experience with the FT area this week was mostly "MA Concentrate", as opposed to just 1 big roiling furball as in the past. Hopefully, the 2 weekers and mousewielding griefers will run off, or find something else to do. In the meantime, I've had a chance to see the rest of the map, and it's nice.

I'd still like to see an area such as that being described. Wonder if HTC will consider the idea.

[Flayed1]

mousewielding griefers

  Just a question is this refering to when us bomber lovers had to click on the target on the map for alt or what??

  Other wise I have always had a stick.... I am of course assuming that by mousewielding griefers you are talking about the bomber croud.

[LEDPIG]

Fighter town's the best place, some viscious killings going on, it's all fair, it does demonstrate the mob mentality, but what do you expect in an unorganized beat down, it's kinda cool, Jaxxo.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Hajo
Let the Spit9 be included

That's the end of your new arena right there.

- oldman

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The MG-FF's in the outer wings aren't worth the extra weight. Basically the same guns as a C205.

C.205 actually has the same Mauser MG 151/20 cannons that 190s have in the wingroots.