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Offline Eagler

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« on: May 12, 2006, 10:22:35 AM »
US must address Iran security concerns: IAEA

sure glad we are letting the UN handle the Iran nuke issue...

""I'm happy to see that the U.S. is becoming more and more engaged because ... a final solution to Iran needs the full engagement of the U.S.," he said.

"When you are talking about security, there is only one country that can talk to Iran and that is the U.S., it's not Europe. Europe can talk economics, it can talk trade ... but it cannot talk about hard security issues.""

yeah, they were so happy with our fix for Iraq weren't they ...

looks like the  UN is just another useless middleman outfit to me .. and when we do react, probably without their blessing ... again, we will be the bad guy to all the hand wringers ... again
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2006, 10:54:49 AM »
Hi Eagler,

I really don't think it matters whether the UN is involved or not, Iran's intentions under Ahmadinejad are fairly clear.

I had a long conversation with an Iranian expat a few days ago and he pointed out that the West is making a serious mistake in assuming that the Iranian president and the ruling theocrats in that country are playing from the rulebook of geopolitics, they are not, they are working solely from the worldview and political instructions of Shia Islam.

So, for instance Ahmadinejad speaking recently to men training to be Imams stated:

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As WorldNetDaily reported in January, Ahmadinejad told a crowd of theological students in Iran's holy city of Qom that Islam must prepare to rule the world.

"We must believe in the fact that Islam is not confined to geographical borders, ethnic groups and nations. It's a universal ideology that leads the world to justice," Ahmadinejad said Jan. 5, according to Mehran Riazaty, a former Iran analyst for the Central Command of the Coalition Forces in Baghdad.

Ahmadinejad, who drew global attention for his contention the Holocaust was a "myth," said: "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world." Two months earlier, he threatened to "wipe Israel off the map"

Riazaty, in a post on the website Regime Change Iran, said the Iranian president emphasized his current theme that the return of the shi'ite messiah, the Mahdi, is not far away, and Muslims must prepare for it.

According to shi'ites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.

Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.

"We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return," Ahmadinejad said. "If we work on the basis of the Expectation of the Return [of the Mahdi], all the affairs of our nation will be streamlined and the administration of the country will become easier."


Ahmadinejad has also issued in the form of his frightening 18 page offer/theology lesson to President Bush the required "invitation to embrace Islam or subjugation (dhimmitude)" which is technically necessary before attacking an infidel outside the Dar-El-Islam.

The rest will be up to how close Mahmoud and his advisors think the return of the Mahdi actually is. Lest we forget, every time a significant group of Muslims have historically thought the return of the Mahdi was imminent or that he had returned, it has resulted in war with the infidels (a new surge in pursuit of Jihad).

UN or no UN, we are in for a rough ride to say the least...

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2006, 11:51:36 AM »
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I had a long conversation with an Iranian expat a few days ago and he pointed out that the West is making a serious mistake in assuming that the Iranian president and the ruling theocrats in that country are playing from the rulebook of geopolitics, they are not, they are working solely from the worldview and political instructions of Shia Islam.


what rulebook is the "west" playing by then?

just asking

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 12:06:31 PM »
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what rulebook is the "west" playing by then?

just asking


world peace, where have you been for the last 200 years?

Muslim invasion of Spain =defeated
Napoleon= defeated
Kaiser=defeated
Hitler=defeated
Japan=defeated
USSR=defeated
Saddam=defeated

there will be many more that want to RULE THE WORLD.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 12:17:51 PM »
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there will be many more that want to RULE THE WORLD.


yup there sure will

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 12:21:03 PM »
Yup. And, sooner or later we'll have to deal with this.

Sooner is better.

I wanna see how it comes out.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2006, 12:27:21 PM »
I think Buchanan makes a good case.

"'Comrade Wolf' and the Mullahs

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In the 27 years since the Iranian Revolution, the United States has launched air strikes on Libya, invaded Grenada, put Marines in Lebanon and run air strikes in the Bekaa Valley and Chouf Mountains in retaliation for the Beirut bombing.

We invaded Panama, launched Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait and put troops into Somalia. Under Clinton, we occupied Haiti, fired cruise missiles into Sudan, intervened in Bosnia, conducted bombing strikes on Iraq and launched a 78-day bombing campaign against Serbia, a nation that never attacked us. Then, we put troops into Kosovo.

After the Soviet Union stood down in Eastern Europe, we moved NATO into Poland and the Baltic states and established U.S. bases in former provinces of Russia's in Central Asia.

Under Bush II, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, though it appears Saddam neither had weapons of mass destruction nor played a role in 9-11.

Yet, in this same quarter century when the U.S. military has been so busy it is said to be overstretched and exhausted, Iran has invaded not one neighbor and fought but one war: an 8-year war with Iraq where she was the victim of aggression. And in that war of aggression against Iran, we supported the aggressor.

Hence, when Iran says that even as we have grievances against her, she has grievances against us, does Iran not have at least a small point? And when Russian President Putin calls Bush's America "Comrade Wolf," does he not have at least a small patch of ground on which to stand?

Which brings me to the point. There is no reason to believe Iran wants war with us. If she did want war with America, she could have had it any time in the last 27 years. If she did want war with America, all the old ayatollah had to do was continue holding those American hostages after Ronald Reagan raised his right hand. He didn't. As Reagan recited the oath, the hostages were clearing Iranian air space.

In all those years, Iran has never attacked the United States and has been tied to but one terror attack against us: the Khobar Towers 10 years ago. No evidence has been found that Iran had any role in 9-11, the first attack on the World Trade Center, the suicide attack on the U.S.S. Cole or the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

Comes the reply. Iran was almost surely behind the bombing of the U.S. Embassy and Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983 and the hostage-taking of the Reagan era. Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas and plotted the bombing of the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, and Herr Ahmadinejad routinely promises the eradication of Israel.

But if he wants a war with Israel, he could have it tomorrow by launching rockets. If he wants war with America, Bush and Cheney will accommodate him. He has done neither.

Ahmadinejad is behaving like a man provoking us to hit him, but not too hard, so he can play the "victim" of U.S. "aggression" without winding up in the hospital or the morgue.

For while Iran's regime might benefit from heroically enduring U.S. strikes to destroy its nuclear facilities – none of which is near producing atom-bomb material – a major war would be a disaster for Iran. Not only would the regime be denuded of modern weapons, it would be set back decades to where the Arabs, Azeris, Baluchis and Kurds might try to break the country up, even as Iraq is breaking up.

But this would be a disaster for the United States as well. For an attack on Iran would unify Persians in hatred of America, the way Pearl Harbor unified Americans. And a breakup of Iran could create a new archipelago of terrorist training camps across the Middle East.

What we are getting at is that there is common ground between the United States and Iran. Neither of us would benefit from a major war. Both of us benefit if there is a reliable flow of oil and gas out of the Gulf and Central Asia. Neither of us wants to see the return of the Taliban or rise of al-Qaida, which is anti-*****e. In his 18-page letter, Ahmadinejad powerfully condemned the massacre of 9-11.

And Tehran must be having second thoughts about whether to go nuclear when that could mean Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt might follow suit, and the United States and Israel would put a hair trigger on their missile arsenals, and target them on Tehran.

Better to talk. To test the waters, President Bush might take up Ahmadinejad's missive, manifest the same respect for Islam that he showed for Jesus of Nazareth, rebut his attacks on America and lay down what Bush would like to see in a future relationship with Iran.

We have much to talk about: terror, nuclear power, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, oil, what we owe Iran and what Iran owes us."

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2006, 12:34:00 PM »
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yup there sure will


tell by the tone you are refering to the US .. so if you are not on our side, you are on his?


or are ya just another sideline hand wringer beetchin about both sides..

side note:
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Former hostages allege Iran's new president was 70's captor
I did not realize this kook was involved in the embassy kidnapping. Makes him a terrorist. What's the hold up? Time to kick his crazy arse back to the stone ages...no one else has the guts to do it and since they aren't scamming the sanctions yet, they shouldn't whine as loud as when we messed up their pretty arrangement next door with SH.
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Re: more UN buck passing
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2006, 12:35:31 PM »
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US must address Iran security concerns: IAEA

sure glad we are letting the UN handle the Iran nuke issue...

""I'm happy to see that the U.S. is becoming more and more engaged because ... a final solution to Iran needs the full engagement of the U.S.," he said.

"When you are talking about security, there is only one country that can talk to Iran and that is the U.S., it's not Europe. Europe can talk economics, it can talk trade ... but it cannot talk about hard security issues.""

yeah, they were so happy with our fix for Iraq weren't they ...

looks like the  UN is just another useless middleman outfit to me .. and when we do react, probably without their blessing ... again, we will be the bad guy to all the hand wringers ... again


Eagler you wonder why
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When you are talking about security, there is only one country that can talk to Iran and that is the U.S.


Its because they laugh at the UN.
The UN solution to every problem is to make a new  RESOLOUTION that has SERIOUS consequences.
:furious  <--- is all the UN is good for. They talk a good game but they really can't play the game.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2006, 12:39:11 PM »
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tell by the tone you are refering to the US .. so if you are not on our side, you are on his?


yeah yeah... either with you or against you.

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2006, 12:42:01 PM »
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they do not want a "war" in the WW2 sense, they will have others do their dirty work as soon as they are able to arm them properly

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Buchanan is a nutcase
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2006, 12:45:16 PM »
was there a muslim invasion of spain in the last 200 years?...btw i think california is secretly a muslim theocracy:  spell it with a 'ph' instead of an 'f'


Pat Buchanan isn't crazy, just an old fasioned traditional conservative.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2006, 02:45:34 PM »
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yeah yeah... either with you or against you.


     Golly, guess we'd have to go it without Nilsen...is that even possible??
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